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Zombies => Falconer => Thema gestartet von: wurzel am Mai 06, 2005, 09:39:01 Nachmittag
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Review "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Sorry, that I have to say that this album is not so good like the other’s. In my opinion this album has a completely new sound as the others. You can’t compare it with the other albums. At first listening I only like one track ”The Assailant”. In my point of view is this song the best one, although it has this new “rock sound” (not melodic metal sound). The song “I refuse” is most comparable with the old songs, because the refrain has the typical Falconer-melody. But in the most songs I miss these melodies, just the same way I miss the brilliant variations (like in “Mindtraveller”). Now to my questions: Can it be that Stefan was a little bit inspired from his friends of Axenstar, by writing the melody to ”Child of the Wild”? Why need Kristoffer so often female voices that helps him in the higher vocal –positions? Why do you so often use this “mass-singing” in the refrains, you didn’t done it before, did you?
Please write me your opinions to the new album “Grime vs. Grandeur” !
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I think this is perfect.
The last album was everything but Falconer. Now again the powerful bass and chorus vocals are here. The songs are very catchy. Actually this is one superb album. There is only one song i dont like, "The Return" and that's most because i don't like growling. I think there also are some parts that really sound like old Falconer. In Child of the Wild there is a slow part at 3:35 that is really Falconerisch. And all your talk about Kristoffer getting help with vocals, well in my opinion i think it's because it sound so damn great !
OK i must say i liked the old Singer little more, "Lord of the Blacksmiths" really shows of some great vocal skills. But Kristoffer got some really nice skills to and this album is more fitting to his voice than for exemple the last album.
I think this album is great and the right way for Falconer.
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Ok to answer your questions.
The Assailant and I refuse: Two of the songs that people say sounds the least FALCONER, and you think they are the ones that sounds the most FALCONER.
Why do we use a female singer. If it were because of the high parts they would have sang on other places on the album. We do it because it sounds good, just as we did on the first album.
Big choruses with choirs. Well, if you don´t like that PLEASE don´t listen more to us because I think that´s the high point of the album so you will defenately get more to complain about in the future.
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Oooops, I was the one who answered without being logged in.
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Totally agree with you Stefan, my friend!
I really can't undersrtand where this dude came from.
Falconer has never done anything like "I Refuse" and "The Assilant" before. I can't even imagine where you got that from mr. Wurzel. I respect your opinion but totally disagree. And the so called "mass-singing" is no other than our selves. Just to bring more dynamics to the songs.
Female voices in Falconer are pretty rare and therefor very beautiful. There will be girls in the songs in the future too. So if it bothers you, please buy someone elses CD. Then you don't have to be upset again.
I love the new album and I'm extremely proud to have been a part of producing it.
It's an honor for me, and I guess all mebers of Falconer, to bring this album to our fans. I'm pretty sure many do enyoj it.
Best regards.
/ Kriss
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It's a pity that you missunderstand me. I've never said that this album is bad, but it isn't also outstanding. Moreover I've only said that in my point of view "I refuse" is most Falconer(not "The Assailant").
In my opinion (and I'm not the only one) the most songs are missing the catchy tune, the magic that symbolizes the other albums "Falconer", "Capters from ..." and "The sceptre...".
These albums you can hear thousand times and you will everytime find a new part that surprise you and fill you with enthusiasm.
I thought only, it helps you (also in the musical view), if you hear other opinions, expect these "It's perfect"-opinions.
In addition:
This dude came from Germany-Berlin (Perhaps we have an other taste as the Swedish people?)
And why didn't you answer of the "inspire of Axenstar"-question?
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Of course it good to hear all kinds of opinions. It´s just that your opinion sometimes goes eactly towards other Falconer fans. But versitile tastes is only good.
"Child of the wild", one of the most FALCONER sounding songs is in NO WAY inspired by AXENSTAR. I just thought that the album needed one song that old falconer fans should like. Ok if you might say that "The Assailant" is inspired by Judas Priest for example but "Child....", well that´s pure Falconer style.
You Germans (and southern countries) like those folk elements, I know that. That might be the only thing separating you from the rest.
By the way, if you listen to "Sceptre...." a thousand times and still feel enthusiastic, well then you and me are very different. Ha ha.
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erm... who did that last posting?
Kriss? Stefan? :?:
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Fucking shit. I keep getting logged out, allthough I don´t know it.
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I think you can choose to stay logged in at the log in dialogue... but I can hardly remember, because I did not log out since... errr... months. :)
But you can always have a quick look at the top navigation ("FAQ, Search, Memberlist...") to check your status: Lower row, rightmost item. If you're logged in, it reads "Log out [ Stefan W ]".
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Fucking shit. I keep getting logged out, allthough I don´t know it.
Do we got a hacker here? :roll: :laugh:
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Hmmmm, must have done a cookie clean-up or something, but I don´t remember it.
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but I don´t remember it.
Too much booze? :D
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Hey Stefan, not sure if you'll remember me, but I have a shirt sent from you with your signature on heh heh!! I love it!!!
Anyway, the first and second album for me will always be my favourite, it's a sound that got me in love with Falconer
But I'm loving Grime Vs Granduer, especially "Jack The Ripper!!!" It's amazing, and the album as whole is definately improved on Sceptre of Deception, I think Kristoffer is now very much known as the singer of Falconer now and not just a new voice.
Keep up the good work, I was over the moon when your FOURTH album came out, intense!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO A GIG IN THE UK, PLEASE PLEASE I love you guys!!!
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I think the new album sounds like Falconer all the way. You can tell right away by just the sound of the guitars. There might not be as many refrains as in previous works but the songs that don't have them sound just as good as those that don't have them. Might possibly be the best CD I've gotten in quite a while.
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In my oppinion, Göbbels will allways be falconers "new" voice. I'm sorry to say this, but falconer has taken a turn for the worse now. First you release the album A sceptre of deception, which didn't have a single really good song, except the little bonus thingy with Mathias.
And then you do this new album, that's even worse, seriously, get Mathias back and stay as a studio band. Either you should go back to being falconer again (which I would really recomend!), or you change names and play this new music under that name, and loose all your old fans, and try to get some new ones, as you have already started to do ...
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In my oppinion, Göbbels will allways be falconers "new" voice.
Please notice the difference between K. Göbels (Falconer vocalist) and J. Göbbels (Nazi idiot).
I don't think they are related.
Greetz,
Tex
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Have you noticed that people that are this negative and militant like the "guest" above seldomly mention their name. he he.
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Whimp.
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People need to realise that they don't "own" a band just because they are fans. The day an act start writing music to please other people is the day they become irrelevant.
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Here's my appraisal (and look, I even made it under my user name! :wink: )
I finally got the album and...well...I'm just not sure how I feel. I like Emotional Skies, but the rest of the album just...I don't know. It's definitely heavier than what I'm used to from Falconer. The last album was a good transition from Matthias to Kristoffer. I think if the last album had sounded like this one fans would have reacted even more negatively than they did to Sceptre. That's not saying Kristoffer is a bad vocallist (he's not! He's fantastic!) it's just that Falconer's sound seems to have made a drastic change with the vocallist change.
So I can't honestly say I agree with the people that say that this new album sounds more like the old Falconer. I don't think it does. But it still doesn't sound like anything else out there, which works in the band's favor.
I'm going to listen to the album again on my way to the barn today. Perhaps it will grow on me. I didn't much care for HammerFall's new album either, but now I listen to it almost daily. So perhaps Falconer's Grime vs. Grandure will grow on me as well.
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As predicted, the album grew on me.
Also, Jack the Ripper is stuck in my head.
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The reason I didn't write my name Is because I haven't made myself the time to create an account. My name is Svante, although I don't considder my last post to be "negative and militant". I'm merely stating facts. Of all the people I know and have spoken too, not one person thinks switching to Göbels for vocals and changing the style of music is good. Anyways, I'll have to agree with the one who said that just because you are a fan, you don't own the band, so keep doing your thing, if it's what you want.
But sad to say, it's my beliefe that you will loose a lot of fans.
edit by the Allfather: Fixed spelling of Kris' surname...
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The reason I didn't write my name Is because I haven't made myself the time to create an account. My name is Svante, although I don't considder my last post to be "negative and militant". I'm merely stating facts. Of all the people I know and have spoken too, not one person thinks switching to Göbels for vocals and changing the style of music is good. Anyways, I'll have to agree with the one who said that just because you are a fan, you don't own the band, so keep doing your thing, if it's what you want.
But sad to say, it's my beliefe that you will loose a lot of fans.
I personally wouldn't care less if you stated yr name or otherwise...
This whole thing reminds me of what happened between some old Sarissa fans and the new Sarissa cd released.. BANDS JUST HAVE GOT TO EXPAND THEIR MUSIC my friend, whether some like it or not..they just CANNOT play what they used to years ago.Do you know what the word MATURE means?
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It's the metal band paradox: Keep your sound the same, and people complain that it's the same. Change your sound as you grow, and people complain that you don't sound the same.
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It's the metal band paradox: Keep your sound the same, and people complain that it's the same. Change your sound as you grow, and people complain that you don't sound the same.
Which reminds me of a song that goes: If you don't like what you're hearing, get the f..k out!
:twisted:
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i bought the cd Grime vs. Grandeur , and i realy love this album, its very different and i love it when band changed the music! :bluebanger:
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i think this record was just was falconer needed, fresh sound into a ever evolving band !
Falconer - Iron Maiden !"!
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Do you know what the word MATURE means?
Yeah, I know what it means ... And you could use some maturing. Acting like a 14 year old won't get you very far in a discussion, nor will it take you anywhere to meet someones oppinions with pure bullshit, which you do.
And bands have to expand, yes, I think so too, but going this direction isn't good for this band, regardless of what they think about their own music now. Perhaps they will find new fans with this new "hammerfall sort" of music, but the fans who used to love the old falconer style songs are deffinitely having trouble keeping up the love for the music when the band has taken a turn like this. But hey, it's no my band, I don't think that anything that anyone says can change the music that they want to play, I'm just sad to say that the things that made Falconer a pioneer in metal music is no more, and now they have started to sound much like any other band ...
And the stuff about, if you don't like what you are hearing, then get the fuck out...
Well, that's what most of their fans are doing now, me myself included.
Now, feel free to make more childish comments about me being immature or whatever, I won't dignify it with an answer, but if you want to discuss like a grown up, then feel free to, and I will answer.
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Do you know what the word MATURE means?
Yeah, I know what it means ... And you could use some maturing. Acting like a 14 year old won't get you very far in a discussion, nor will it take you anywhere to meet someones oppinions with pure bullshit, which you do.
And bands have to expand, yes, I think so too, but going this direction isn't good for this band, regardless of what they think about their own music now. Perhaps they will find new fans with this new "hammerfall sort" of music, but the fans who used to love the old falconer style songs are deffinitely having trouble keeping up the love for the music when the band has taken a turn like this. But hey, it's no my band, I don't think that anything that anyone says can change the music that they want to play, I'm just sad to say that the things that made Falconer a pioneer in metal music is no more, and now they have started to sound much like any other band ...
And the stuff about, if you don't like what you are hearing, then get the fuck out...
Well, that's what most of their fans are doing now, me myself included.
Now, feel free to make more childish comments about me being immature or whatever, I won't dignify it with an answer, but if you want to discuss like a grown up, then feel free to, and I will answer.
I suggest you read all the above posts more carefully.
I also suggest you read again that post of mine which offended you so much and then you might just realise that by saying mature i didn't mean you but the band (evolving and maturing).
And if you think you can offend me by saying that i could use some maturing , well, if i can act like a 14 year old while being the age i'm, i see it as a previlege and not as a disadvantage and i thank you for the compliment.
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Falconer's new sound is "Hammerfall?" Wow, that's news to me. Considering I have every one of HammerFall and Falconer's albums, I can honestly say the the two bands are obviously very different.
It's sad that people think by threatening a band by saying "You've just lost yourself a fan!" will make the band change.
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Just as a humble side note: I, too, feel that Grime vs. Grandeur has slight sonds of Hammerfall in it. It is not obvious copying, or something like that, but certain parts might as well be a part of a Hammerfall song.
This is not meant as critique, as I like Hammerfall as well as Falconer, but it is one thing I noticed when I listened to Grime 1st time.
I don't think this is necessarily bad, as for example the latest Slayer album has a distinct 'new metal' quality to it and I like it none the less.
:)
Greetz
Tex
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Just as a humble side note: I, too, feel that Grime vs. Grandeur has slight sonds of Hammerfall in it. It is not obvious copying, or something like that, but certain parts might as well be a part of a Hammerfall song.
This is not meant as critique, as I like Hammerfall as well as Falconer, but it is one thing I noticed when I listened to Grime 1st time.
I don't think this is necessarily bad, as for example the latest Slayer album has a distinct 'new metal' quality to it and I like it none the less.
:)
Greetz
Tex
As an obsessive HammerFall fan, I can honestly say I haven't noticed. Which songs? Maybe I'll notice it now. ;)
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Don't remember the actual parts of the songs.
I didn't bother to make notes.
:)
Greetz,
Tex
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The thing that strikes me as most "hammerfall" are the mass quires at the refarin, and the sound has been speeded up, giving it more hammerfallish sound ...
Anyways, I don't think I will influence the band in any way by saying that I don't like their music, but this is a forum for discussing falconer and their music, not only a forum for appraisal and aproving of their music.
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And besides, I don't think loosing a fan is their main problem, Since I will still be buying their cd:s, hoping that they will change in a way that I like. And after all, I think money is an important factor for any band. Even more important then fame and a good reputation!
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I don't know what this talk is all about.
"Yeah, they're gonna lose fans of their 'old style'" and stuff....
Isn't that always gonna happen?
I bet some fans where pissed of with "Chapters...." and would have preferred an album more in the style of "Falconer".
And there are most certainly people who hated "Sceptre..."
So yeah, there'll always be people who feel disappointed and some of them might even start to ignore the band.
SO WHAT?!
It's virutally IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy everyone, so why bother trying?
There have been peoople on this forum who said that "Grime..." is to them like the self titled first album.
Then there are people like our "Guest" (who doesn't really behave like one) who seem to feel offended by an album like "Grime..."
So what does this show to us?
Yeah, that it's actually a versatile album. One which hardcore Falconites might hate or even dearly love. And both is the case.
So there is no need in saying "You're gonna lose all the fans of old" and stuff... because they most definitely won't.
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You're welcome to sign up in order to participate in enduring discussions.
Perhaps they will find new fans with this new "hammerfall sort" of music, but the fans who used to love the old falconer style songs are deffinitely having trouble keeping up the love for the music when the band has taken a turn like this.
Please, do only speak for yourself, you cannotgeneralize your point of view to include "the fans".
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And besides, I don't think loosing a fan is their main problem, Since I will still be buying their cd:s, hoping that they will change in a way that I like. And after all, I think money is an important factor for any band. Even more important then fame and a good reputation!
i think you dont realise that the most bands pay for you to watch them. this has nothing to do with money and getting famous like Michael Jackson.