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Zombies => Metal & Talk (english) => Thema gestartet von: shadowman am November 28, 2004, 11:23:29 Vormittag
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Another country in our tour around the bleeding world...
The purpose of these topics about countries worldwide is to get an inside view of the way of life. Thanx to the contact person(s) Bleeding for Metal has over there we have front row tickets right ? :mrgreen:
So this edition is all about one of the hottest European countries : Hellas !!
Let me go first, when I think of Greece I think of
Gargantouas ! One of my closest friends and simply one hell of a guy !!
Many islands of which I had the pleasure to visit Corfu
Archeological artefacts
Greek Gods
Olympics
Athens
Tessaloniki
Soccer teams as Panathinaikos and Olympiaokos
Really nice food
Sirtaki
The most beautiful women on the face of earh !!!!!!
So who is next ?
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Soccer teams as Panathinaikos and Olympiaokos
Ok Panathinaikos I understand...WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION THE UNMANED ONES?....?
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Maybe cause I am evil ?
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Hmmh... never been to there.
comes to mind:
Greek mythology, gods
Sokrates, Aristoteles, lovely Pythogars etc.
the golden ages of Antics.
Toogas... spelled probably wrong :P
And hot hot hot hot.
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Yumm, Greek mythology, all the sagas about the ancient gods and semi-gods, philosophers, early scientists finding many of the most commonly used mathematic rules of today, Alexander the Great and the Macedonian reign over almost all the known world .... and much more.
It just comes to my mind that when thinking about Greece I mainly think about times long past! History, the good old times of Diogenes (oh, then I have to think of Greek men and their, errrm, well, it was kind of a habit back then to have affairs with young boys... and Diogenes going to the market and 'shaking the tree' there in public, hehehe ;) ), Sokrates and all the fellows I got to know quite closely in my philosophy classes.
Furthermore all the sagas, the Ilias by Homer (not Simpson...) and so on.
When thinking of our time I think of Dimitris and our wish to visit Corfu - since two years or so now... :roll:
And of course all the nice meals we know from Greek restaurants over here, hehe. And the last European soccer championship. Oh, almost forgot Uzo, Imiglykos and ... ergh, forgot it's name... golden relative to Imiglykos, but with a lot more alcohol, a great taste of honey and others. We talked about it on the old boards once, I think, I really loved that drink but haven't found it again since the one time I had the pleasure to taste it.
Mh, so far for now from me. :)
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I had the pleasure to take Latin for 6 years in high school, and while that mainly focused on the Roman side of antiquity, I did get some education of old Greece as well!!
My favorites would be Mythology, I used to read all I could as a youngster on the myths and stories of old, I actually had to read the Illiad, the Odessey, and the Aeneid IN LATIN for school.
Through philosophy classes I have discovered, the birth place of reason/ modern thought// science/ philosophy/ mathematics.......... Democritus, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle..............
For some reason when I think of Greece I think of Olives........................ :roll:
Beautiful old architecture, The Acropolis , The Parthenon, Temple of Hephaestus, Sanctuary of Asklepios at Ancient Epidaurus, The Temple of Olympian Zeus (and the Fallen Column), .............
Gyros, Yummmmmmmmmm
These past olympics, world cup soccer, birth place of the Olympiad, marathon
"slow to start but sure to finish"
Athens/ Sparta
That's all for now. :P
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Ouzo!
:)
Greetz,
Tex
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I'd love to visit Greece! I heard the men there really appreciate women. ;)
Mmm...lamb meat...*craves Gyros now, and will stab anyone who pronounces it "GYE-ROWS." That's not the right pronounciation!!! Grr...* Er, sorry, bit of a rant there...
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Phew, Greece...
- Testudo hermanni hermanni (aka "Hermann's Tortoise")
- Lonesome George
- Chelonoidis elephantopus (I'm not sure of the correct english expression, thinking of those giant turtles from the island of Galapagos)
- Lessons in history & latin
- Maybe the most important european high culture of the antiquity
- giving faked financial stats to the European counsil a few years ago
- "Troja"
- An incredible number of common words having roots in the greek language
- First democratic political system ever
- Olives and Olive Oil
- Souvlaki, Bifteki, Calamari, Zatziki
- Ouzo (anyone else who tends to prefer the red to the clear one?)
- the Akropolis
So much for now. I'm sure I'll feel like adding something quite soon.
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.... something about Calamaris being Italian, not Greek ...
... and something about the idea to learn Greek, ancient Greek prefarably ...
... and something about Shadowman being a plain idiot, of course ... :evil:
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- First democratic political system ever
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Not really. The first democratic political system was the USA: both sexes had the right to vote, slavery was abolished (altough later than in Europe).
Sorry to say that, but in ancient Greece only male citizens of any city-state had the right to vote. Women and slaves had no voice of their own.
As for the Romans, they were slightly better: Every Roman citizen had the right to vote. Sounds good, right? Well, of course only male citizens. Additionally one had to be in Rome to vote.
Oh, and there were 7 classes of voters in ancient Rome: aristocracy (~100 persons), very rich people (~1000 persons), rich people (~1000 persons), middle-class (~1000 persons) and three times the rest of the Romans (~10.000 persons each). These categories were filled according to the taxes one paid. Each catergory had one (1) vote. So, approximately 3100 persons held 4 votes while 30.000 poor persons had exactly 3 votes.
Whenever one was called to vote, there was no discussion of the bill, candidates or .... It was either agree or disagree. If all disagreed, a new assembly (on a different day!) was necessary.
Voting was started with the aristocracy and then went down through the classes. After the middle-class voted the voting was ususally over: If the middle-class was in favour of the opinion of the rich, Rome already had a majority.
Now, imagine that your parliament (in Rome: Senate), war chiefs ... is elected that way.
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Greetz,
Tex
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Ouzo!
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Greetz,
Tex
We had an Ouzo meal this summer ! Oh my sweet Lord !!
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Good luck on your efforts to try and master the Greek language. :roll:
Man, not to brag about myself when I tell you that I think I have a way with foreign languages but Greek is just so damn difficult. Believe me, I have done more than just a simple effort. Assimil, Greek study books, cassettes, learning from specialized cd's...No luck.
I couldn't get it into my brain, mainly because of the weird characters I think.
Or option number two could be that I am just a plain idiot ?
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AAARGGHHH SORRY ODIN !
I screwed up your posting. You said something about learning Greek and I wanted to respond to it. Apparantly I edited YOUR post not mine !
A thousand times sorry ! Is there a way to undo my terrible mistake ???
The above reply is mine not Odin's !!!
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- First democratic political system ever
<aside>
Sorry to say that, but in ancient Greece only male citizens of any city-state had the right to vote. Women and slaves had no voice of their own.
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Yeah, not nice of course, but so what? Without that approach who can say what would have happened?
And there's by far more than only voting - just look at all the institutions and stuff they had working.
Call it what you will, but the fundamental first steps for *any* kind of democracy were made in those days. The first approaches of federalism were made as well as it was the first time someone else but the rich or the mighty or the clerus was able to have an influence on what is going on. And of course they created the idea of the self-defending democracy.
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Is there a way to undo my terrible mistake ???
Actually not, no.
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AAAARRGGHHHH !!!
:wall:
Can't we call 'mister internet' ??
damned damned !!
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Yeah, not nice of course, but so what? Without that approach who can say what would have happened?
Probably exactly the same. You know that Plato always wanted the government run by philosophers. They tried it out in Sicily: a total desaster.
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And then at least one of the ancient thinkers--Aristotle--thought a democracy to be one of the worst forms of government ever. (He had a scale of six forms of government, from noble kingship over oligarchy and democracy ... to despotism. Aristotle favoured a noble kingship above all others.
And there's by far more than only voting - just look at all the institutions and stuff they had working.
You are partially right, of course. But the fact that not all persons could influence those institutions that were governing them makes me point out the right to vote as the main point of a democracy. Without it, the institutions of government can (and probably will) work against you.
Call it what you will, but the fundamental first steps for *any* kind of democracy were made in those days.
Full ACK. But that does not make those fundations a democracy. I'm not trying to hide those advances to humanity done in those days. I just don't want to give them the label 'democracy'.
The first approaches of federalism were made as well as it was the first time someone else but the rich or the mighty or the clerus was able to have an influence on what is going on. And of course they created the idea of the self-defending democracy.
Rich, mighty, clerus. Hey, we're not talking about the Renaissance, are we?
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Humour aside, what was thought and done in ancient Greek might have had a big influence on what we have in our time. But we mustn't forget who to thank for it: the Arabs!
Without them, Europe would have been lost. They were the ones to translate, read and share the Greek philosophers while Europeans were either butchering them, each others or praying to a 'good god'.
Greetz,
Tex
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Good luck on your efforts to try and master the Greek language. :roll:
Man, not to brag about myself when I tell you that I think I have a way with foreign languages but Greek is just so damn difficult. Believe me, I have done more than just a simple effort. Assimil, Greek study books, cassettes, learning from specialized cd's...No luck.
I couldn't get it into my brain, mainly because of the weird characters I think.
Or option number two could be that I am just a plain idiot ?
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AAARGGHHH SORRY ODIN !
I screwed up your posting. You said something about learning Greek and I wanted to respond to it. Apparantly I edited YOUR post not mine !
A thousand times sorry ! Is there a way to undo my terrible mistake ???
The above reply is mine not Odin's !!!
Now it is mine again. This gives a special meaning to your last line there, ehem... :bash:
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Hahahahahaha...guys you are just too fast for me lol...Either way, about the democracy issue Tex is right, only males and slaves were allowed to vote and let us not confuse the fact that Athens not Greece was the first "democracy" in thge world.
As for the others..people you seem to know much more than me lol...I cannot even think of anything else t oadd to the things allready mentioned...but keep going I am sure I will find something as the discussion goes on... :wink:
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To touch on a few things not already mentioned....
boats
fishing
Knossos and Crete ( I was always fasinated as a kid by the palace and the "bull jumpers")
Forget Ouzo! METAXA!!
I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
Ikon painters to rival the Russians!! (Theophanes is one that quickly comes to mind)
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I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
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Euh... Is there a place you haven't been ? :wink:
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I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
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Euh... Is there a place you haven't been ? :wink:
Belgium :D
(when you get this old you've been to and lived in lots of places)
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Belgium :D
Only a matter of time of course... :wink:
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Only a matter of time of course... :wink:
Oh, an invitation!
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Greetz,
Tex
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Hehehehehe... It seems Joachim is back in full force ! :wink:
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Tex, If it is an invitation, I am sure it is a joint invitation, for both Metal RN and myself.
:shock: Then again maybe Belgians are into wife-swapping or some such naughty thing? eeeks! :rolleyes: :oops:
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:shock: Then again maybe Belgians are into wife-swapping or some such naughty thing? eeeks! :rolleyes: :oops:
Though "wife-swapping" is still preferable to "partner-swapping", if you know what I mean... :?
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I'd bet Shadow is into... well, errrm, did I say that aloud? :twisted: gotta leave... ;)
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I think this is a good time to keep my mouth shut!!!(http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/170415/slap.gif)
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I think this is a good time to keep my mouth shut!!!(http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/170415/slap.gif)
Boooooring! :lol:
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Ok I couldn't resist, even before I saw Odin's taunt :P .......
Though "wife-swapping" is still preferable to "partner-swapping", if you know what I mean... :?
Er........ do you mean Shadow and I? That would give new meaning to the phrases International affair and improving foreign relations........ :shock: :shock:
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Tss... I really can't leave you guys alone for just one minute..
What nasty turn this harmless topic has taken ?
Wife-swapping ? Partner exchange ?
You guys are EVIL !!
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So Dimitris ? Sarissa dude ? Any other Greeks on the boards ?
Nothing to more to add ?
I must admit I was hoping you Greek guys would have enlightened us a bit more about the beautiful Greek women.
I can assure you guys I have never ever seen such a high concentration of superb looking gorgeous women than during my daily stroll through Corfu town last summer.
My heart still skips a few beats just thinking of all those fine looking heavenly shaped goddesses in skimpy clothes.... Aaarrgghh...
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Shadow, your wife would like to have a word with you...
SCNR,
Tex
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Oh ? To tell me how much she loves me ?
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hrmmm...
when I htink of Greece I think back to a dream me and A very close friend almost like a brother Dimitris and how we almost got HeavenlyDarkness off the ground via internet.... truly hurts that it never came off the ground as we wanted but hey, ya neva know what the future is going to bring.. so odnt give up brotha, we can still do it \m/..
My ex girl friend who I would have married had she not wanted to move back to greece... "God" what a true queen she was.. and ow yeah the sex was,uhmm well never mind that other then the best and ost pasionate i have ever experianced in my life!!!!!!!!
tis all I could come up with!