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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
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It's written in a way that not eaven a dude from Sweden know what it means. :?
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Oups! That was me.
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Yeah, isn't it written in 'Olde Swedish'?
Or did I just make that up? :lol:
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It's written in a way that not eaven a dude from Sweden know what it means. :?
Yeah... I'm also having trouble understanding it all...
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It's pretty old Swedish, and Mathias pronounces some of the words in a really special dialect, but what is so hard to understand?
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It's pretty old Swedish, and Mathias pronounces some of the words in a really special dialect, but what is so hard to understand?
I dunno... my point was, its harder to understand than swedish usually is to a dane like me...
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Ah, I see!
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At least I'm not the only one confused! I don't feel quite as stupid now. :P
Maybe someone can convince Matthias to join the board and he can fill us in? (and by us, I mean me. Heeeee! :D)
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Great song, even with a drum machine (which I loathe).. I love the bass intro tho, kinda reminds me of Jethro Tull's 'Bouree'... 8)
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What drum machine?
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Drum machine??? There were no drum machine on any Falconer album.
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Ha! Didn't think so.
Silly guest...
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Sorry Stefan... :oops: I thought it was a drum machine on that one song, because it has a sharp, synthetic sound to my ears & more of a simple & sparse, or "blocky" drum pattern if you will... at least, when compared to the rest of your songs.... I still love the song though! :D
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As a matter of fact, I happened to think that "Clarion Call" had synthetic drums first time I listened to it. Then I realized that Karsten is one heck of a drummer.
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As a matter of fact, I happened to think that "Clarion Call" had synthetic drums first time I listened to it. Then I realized that Karsten is one heck of a drummer.
I agree. In fact, the first time one of my friends heard Falconer he said "What do they feed their drummer? Speed? :shock: "
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As a matter of fact, I happened to think that "Clarion Call" had synthetic drums first time I listened to it. Then I realized that Karsten is one heck of a drummer.
I agree. In fact, the first time one of my friends heard Falconer he said "What do they feed their drummer? Speed? :shock: "
Don't forget that he's the man behind those extremely fast and long drumpatterns of Mithotyn. Fortunately he's rocking on just as hard as the genre permits in Falconer!
I hope Karsten never leaves the band.
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As a matter of fact, I happened to think that "Clarion Call" had synthetic drums first time I listened to it. Then I realized that Karsten is one heck of a drummer.
I agree. In fact, the first time one of my friends heard Falconer he said "What do they feed their drummer? Speed? :shock: "
LOL Yeah, he's really something. He's one of the best drummers I've ever heard.
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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
My interpretation of "Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge":
The key to understanding the lyrics is realizing that there are two different women named Karin in the story, Per Tyrssons wife and Karin from Skränge. Apparently Per Tyrsson has had an affair with Karin from Skränge resulting in the birth of the three robbers.
In a way this makes Per Tyrsson partly guilty in the slaying of his own daughters, and also explains why he blames himself for their deaths and forges iron round his waist as a punishment (or maybe to prevent himself from cheating on his wife again...).
A very cruel story, as old Nordic ballads often are.
Amazing song by the way, with beautiful melody lines and arrangements.
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I love this song as well, even more that both his successors "We Sold Our Homesteads" (wish they would have kept it in Swedish) and "En Kungens Man" (does that mean "A King's Man? my Swedish sucks :lol: )
Stefan, is there going to be another Swedish folk song on the next album?
Talking of which: Do you already have a name for the album?
Jäg alskar Falconer! :banger2:
It's kind of funny, though, that I can say "chilly were their woods" in Swedish, but I couldn't even order a pizza :wink:
Later,
Freddy Falconhead Krueger
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"En Kungens Man" (does that mean "A King's Man?
Literally yes, but "A Man of the King" is the English equivalent term I guess.
Very sad song. :(
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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
My interpretation of "Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge":
The key to understanding the lyrics is realizing that there are two different women named Karin in the story, Per Tyrssons wife and Karin from Skränge. Apparently Per Tyrsson has had an affair with Karin from Skränge resulting in the birth of the three robbers.
In a way this makes Per Tyrsson partly guilty in the slaying of his own daughters, and also explains why he blames himself for their deaths and forges iron round his waist as a punishment (or maybe to prevent himself from cheating on his wife again...).
A very cruel story, as old Nordic ballads often are.
Amazing song by the way, with beautiful melody lines and arrangements.
A fellow dane! Greetings and
velkommen til!
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Which reminds me: I'm doing a presentation for my Archaeology class. It's about Danish fortresses in the Middle Ages. I was really astonished as I went through the books. I never realized what a powerful kingdom Danmark used to be back then!
Another funny thing: I actually stumbled across the "Sceptre of Deception" story in one of the books. It made me realize again what a great album that one actually is! 8)
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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
My interpretation of "Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge":
The key to understanding the lyrics is realizing that there are two different women named Karin in the story, Per Tyrssons wife and Karin from Skränge. Apparently Per Tyrsson has had an affair with Karin from Skränge resulting in the birth of the three robbers.
In a way this makes Per Tyrsson partly guilty in the slaying of his own daughters, and also explains why he blames himself for their deaths and forges iron round his waist as a punishment (or maybe to prevent himself from cheating on his wife again...).
A very cruel story, as old Nordic ballads often are.
Amazing song by the way, with beautiful melody lines and arrangements.
Okay, thanks! That puts things into better perspective. :)
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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
My interpretation of "Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge":
The key to understanding the lyrics is realizing that there are two different women named Karin in the story, Per Tyrssons wife and Karin from Skränge. Apparently Per Tyrsson has had an affair with Karin from Skränge resulting in the birth of the three robbers.
In a way this makes Per Tyrsson partly guilty in the slaying of his own daughters, and also explains why he blames himself for their deaths and forges iron round his waist as a punishment (or maybe to prevent himself from cheating on his wife again...).
A very cruel story, as old Nordic ballads often are.
Amazing song by the way, with beautiful melody lines and arrangements.
Okay, thanks! That puts things into better perspective. :)
I think that is incorrect. I have read about Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge in a book partly about old litterature and the version there said that the three robbers were sent away from their parents long ago (perhaps because they had to seek their luck elsewhere) and that their parents did not know what happened to them. (A source I found recently spoke about that the brothers had been sent away to foreign countries in their early youth and that the parents and children now did not recognize each other). The "iron around his waist" part is harder to decipher but that it should have anything to do with cheating I think is most unlikely. My first thought was that it is a symbol for making an armour but what he needed an armour for is hard to understand. More likely it is a symbol which means that Per Tyrsson accepts the guilt of having slain his sons and he builds a church to the glory of God to be forgiven. In combination with that I would say that my guilt theory is the most realistic. If anyone knows for sure that I am wrong, please go ahead and correct me...
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I'm a bit confused about one part in the song Per Tyrssons Döttar I Vänge:
Now, after Per Trysson slays the two oldest robers, he asks the third one who his father and mother is. The third one answers that Per Trysson and Fru Karin are his parents (according to the translation I have.) So were the robbers the brothers of the three girls, then?
Maybe the translation I have isn't very clear.
Also, on this part: "Per Tyrsson went to the smithy and forged himself iron round his waist." Does this mean that he placed the iron around the remaining robber and made said robber build the church? Like I said, the translation is kind of...rough, I think. Either that, or I'm just being dense.
Either way, a little clarity would help.
Thanks!
My interpretation of "Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge":
The key to understanding the lyrics is realizing that there are two different women named Karin in the story, Per Tyrssons wife and Karin from Skränge. Apparently Per Tyrsson has had an affair with Karin from Skränge resulting in the birth of the three robbers.
In a way this makes Per Tyrsson partly guilty in the slaying of his own daughters, and also explains why he blames himself for their deaths and forges iron round his waist as a punishment (or maybe to prevent himself from cheating on his wife again...).
A very cruel story, as old Nordic ballads often are.
Amazing song by the way, with beautiful melody lines and arrangements.
Okay, thanks! That puts things into better perspective. :)
I think that is incorrect. I have read about Per Tyrssons döttrar i Vänge in a book partly about old litterature and the version there said that the three robbers were sent away from their parents long ago (perhaps because they had to seek their luck elsewhere) and that their parents did not now what happened to them. (A source I found recently spoke about that the brothers had been sent away to foreign countries in their early youth and that the parents and children now did not recognize each other). The "iron around his waist" part is harder to decipher but that it should have anything to do with cheating I think is most unlikely. My first thought was that it is a symbol for making an armour but what he needed an armour for is hard to understand. More likely it is a symbol which means that Per Tyrsson accepts the guilt of having slain his sons and he builds a church to the glory of God to be forgiven. In combination with that I would say that my guilt theory is the most realistic. If anyone knows for sure that I am wrong, please go ahead and correct me...
Hmm...well both accounts make sense to me.
Needless to say, I'm glad I'm not the only one that isn't quite clear on what is going on in the song.
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I believe that this Folk tale is also the basis for Ingmar Bergman's film The Virgin Srping It should not be too hard to get/rent a copy if you would like to see it. I am not sure how true to the original it is, but I recognized it when I had a swedish friend of mine translate the lyrics for me. A wonderful job..
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I believe that this Folk tale is also the basis for Ingmar Bergman's film The Virgin Srping It should not be too hard to get/rent a copy if you would like to see it. I am not sure how true to the original it is, but I recognized it when I had a swedish friend of mine translate the lyrics for me. A wonderful job..
Noticed that as well. And speaking of Bergman, I've thought that Falconer could very well pull off a concept album about The Seventh Seal. Unfortunately, I don't think Stefan wants to do one of those ever again. But still, it's such a great movie and I can't think of another band that could fit its concept so well. Of course, the music would need to lean to a gloomier, more brooding side of the spectrum... One can dream though. ;)
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Yes, The Virgin Spring is based on Töres Döttrar i Vänge (the more usual name of Per Tyrssons Döttrar i Vänge).
But, I do not know how true Bergman has been to the original source and whether the interpretation he must have made is the correct one.
And yes, a concept album on "The Seventh Seal" would be great...
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Unfortunately, I don't think Stefan wants to do one of those ever again.
Am I the only one who really liked that album?!?! I recently downloaded it (from my CD to my IPOD--before anyone goes nuts) and have been listening to it a lot. I would have to say that Septre is one of my favorite Falconer songs of all time. I think that the whole album is some of the most melodic material that they have done. I really like that about it.
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Unfortunately, I don't think Stefan wants to do one of those ever again.
Am I the only one who really liked that album?!?! I recently downloaded it (from my CD to my IPOD--before anyone goes nuts) and have been listening to it a lot. I would have to say that Septre is one of my favorite Falconer songs of all time. I think that the whole album is some of the most melodic material that they have done. I really like that about it.
No, I liked Sceptre quite a bit too. I listen to it more than I listen to GvG. I thought Sceptre was the most "Falconer-sounding" album of the two Kris did with the band. I also thought it was a nice transition album from Mathias to Kris.
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Am I the only one who really liked that album?!?!
You are not alone. It's actually my second favorite Falconer album (fighting for the spot with Chapters... though). Its atmosphere is really well achieved, and most of the songs fit their theme pretty nicely.
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No, I liked Sceptre quite a bit too. I listen to it more than I listen to GvG. I thought Sceptre was the most "Falconer-sounding" album of the two Kris did with the band. I also thought it was a nice transition album from Mathias to Kris.
Couldn't agree more! It was a very nice transition from Mathias to Kris, and Sceptre is a great album anyway! But I understand that it takes a lot of labor and patience to get an concept album done, because the lyrics have to from a story line. It kind of restricts the lyrical freedom the writer has I'd say.
But yeah, another concept album would be fine :)
Although... I have some thoughts about that topic and will share them later, in a different thread ;)
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Unfortunately, I don't think Stefan wants to do one of those ever again.
Am I the only one who really liked that album?!?! I recently downloaded it (from my CD to my IPOD--before anyone goes nuts) and have been listening to it a lot. I would have to say that Septre is one of my favorite Falconer songs of all time. I think that the whole album is some of the most melodic material that they have done. I really like that about it.
No, I liked Sceptre quite a bit too. I listen to it more than I listen to GvG. I thought Sceptre was the most "Falconer-sounding" album of the two Kris did with the band. I also thought it was a nice transition album from Mathias to Kris.
It was a very effective transition, the only difference I found that I disliked was in the production. I'm not sure if Andy and the guys did anything different on purpose, but I thought the whole album sounded a lot 'thinner' than the previous two. The drums had a more a clicky sound than the nice healthy thump on the first two albums.
That's just a minor complain however, it ranks as my joint-second favourite Falconer release.
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I actually think that Sceptre is the strongest album, but that is probably just beacause I'm a history-nerd. :wink:
However, Mathias is much better than Kris IMO and the best songs (except for Under the Sword) are not found on Sceptre. But what makes it the strongest album for me is the overall quality. There are no weak songs like Busted to the Floor on there.
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Busted to the Floor kicks Under the Sword's butt any day of the week! :twisted:
I also agree that Sceptre is a great album. Much better than GvG. The title track is actually my second or so favorite Falconer song ever. The Coronation is a very strong opener, Hooves over Northland is just super catchy and rocks, Ravenhair is awesome as well. Hear Me Pray is at least as good a ballad as Portals of Light and I *have* to hear Mathias sing that song! :wink:
I even listen to this album more often than Chapters, simply it has more "hits" in comparison. Still I consider Chapters to be the better album, because the sound of Sceptre, even though it is an awesome album, is not as genuinely Falconer as the first two records. It's already been said, the sound seems a bit thinner and, well, Kriss did a fantastic job but Mathias cannot be truly replaced. And then, no Falconer album (except maybe GvG with Power) has such a (relatively) boring song as Under the Sword.
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I'm not sure if Andy and the guys did anything different on purpose, but I thought the whole album sounded a lot 'thinner' than the previous two.
This is true, but when you think about it, the production adds to the atmosphere of the album. It actually sounds as if the music were being played inside a big room like the one found on the cover art. It's a subtle production that fits the overall theme of the songs.
And to the naysayers, "Under the Sword" kicks ass. It is probably one of the songs that better suit the lyrics. Its content is in harmony with its aesthetics, and the result is a well crafted song that works perrfectly fine within its context.
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Not to mention "Child of innocence". Mathias' voice is fantastic on that one. But not as fantastic as on "Vårvindar Friska"...or any other song on Northwind actually.
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Regarding the production of "Sceptre.....":
We did nothing on purpose, it just happened to become bad.
Everything felt a bit strange at that time.
New vocalist, new members, concept album and honestly we weren't on top musically when we recorded so I would say that everything was the opposite on Sceptre as it was during Northwind.
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As a matter of fact, I happened to think that "Clarion Call" had synthetic drums first time I listened to it. Then I realized that Karsten is one heck of a drummer.
I agree. In fact, the first time one of my friends heard Falconer he said "What do they feed their drummer? Speed? :shock: "
That was the first thing to catch my attention with Falconer. I'm a sucker for a kick butt drummer. Then the lyrics/style set in and I was hooked.... for life. :banger2:
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BTW, I would like to ask...
I have heard that there is a movie by I. Bergman, I don't remember the authentic title exactly... It was "Jungfru kallan" or something like that... It was said that the plot is the same like in "Per Tyrssons Döttrar". Is it so?
8)
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Yes, it's called "Jungfrukällan" which means, directly translated, "The Spring of Maidens".
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I have found that.
Bergman is a true master, but the story in "Jungfru källan" is a little bit different, than in a ballad of Per Tyrsson...