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Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: jim sarissa am Dezember 15, 2004, 06:12:08 Nachmittag
I now this gonna be a very hot Topic, so i'm very curious to hear your opinion and comments  8)
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Beitrag von: Odin am Dezember 15, 2004, 06:22:17 Nachmittag
No problem with that, no more to say. ;)
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 15, 2004, 06:27:00 Nachmittag
I don't have any problem with that either. You know, one of the best metal vocalists ever is gay, Rob Halford. And he sure as hell kick ass  :roll:  :wink:  :evil2:
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Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am Dezember 15, 2004, 06:34:45 Nachmittag
No problems here. :)
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Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Dezember 15, 2004, 08:03:50 Nachmittag
Nothing really to say, except from the stand point that I feel that we are all a little to some extent, but that is my view. To each his own.
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Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Dezember 15, 2004, 08:40:01 Nachmittag
Hmmh.. There are a lot of people who say, that each human is a bit bi-sexual.
I dunno if I buy that. But atleast many many many women are atleast a bit bi-sexual. Well, I sure don't mind that!  :lol:
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Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Dezember 15, 2004, 10:05:10 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"
Hmmh.. There are a lot of people who say, that each human is a bit bi-sexual.


Actually, they say that there are two opposite poles, exclusive homosexuality and exclusive heterosexuality, and that there is a continuum between those two poles.
:)

Greetz,

Tex
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Beitrag von: gargantouas am Dezember 15, 2004, 10:19:56 Nachmittag
Who the fuck cares anyway? As long as people dont irritate others with their sexual preferences they can do what they like in their bed.
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Beitrag von: shadowman am Dezember 15, 2004, 10:27:00 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"
Hmmh.. There are a lot of people who say, that each human is a bit bi-sexual.


Actually, they say that there are two opposite poles, exclusive homosexuality and exclusive heterosexuality, and that there is a continuum between those two poles.
:)

Greetz,

Tex


Kind of a space continuum you mean ?
Someone get Cpt Picard !!
No, in all honesty Jim I think everyone has had his saying about this in your previous topic.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Dezember 15, 2004, 10:32:51 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "shadowman"

Kind of a space continuum you mean ?


No a continuum of grades between the two opposing poles.

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Dezember 15, 2004, 10:44:01 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
Zitat von: "shadowman"

Kind of a space continuum you mean ?


No a continuum of grades between the two opposing poles.

Greetz,

Tex


That is another way of saying what I meant.
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Beitrag von: evilshell am Dezember 15, 2004, 11:14:30 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"
Nothing really to say, except from the stand point that I feel that we are all a little to some extent, but that is my view. To each his own.


Actually, there was a study that had every person being bisexual...I wish I could remember the name of the researcher(s).

I personally believe that to be true - everyone is bisexual, some more than others, some less.
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Beitrag von: evilshell am Dezember 15, 2004, 11:16:42 Nachmittag
That's like asking me my feelings on heterosexuality, or about a person's skin color. Irrelevant.
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Beitrag von: LightBringer am Dezember 16, 2004, 04:44:23 Vormittag
Hmmmmmm...... well.........


Homosexuality  would never be my personal choice but i can respect it to the others.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: LightBringer am Dezember 16, 2004, 04:47:10 Vormittag
Zitat von: "evilshell"


Actually, there was a study that had every person being bisexual...I wish I could remember the name of the researcher(s).

I personally believe that to be true - everyone is bisexual, some more than others, some less.




Viewing my own self i  totally disagree!!!
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Dezember 16, 2004, 04:50:31 Vormittag
Zitat von: "evilshell"
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"
Nothing really to say, except from the stand point that I feel that we are all a little to some extent, but that is my view. To each his own.


Actually, there was a study that had every person being bisexual...I wish I could remember the name of the researcher(s).

I personally believe that to be true - everyone is bisexual, some more than others, some less.


I remember hearing about this, I will look it up. I would be interested to see when it was written.
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Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 16, 2004, 08:02:34 Vormittag
About the plain sexual aspect: I don't mind what preferences someone has, as long as it does not include children, animals or happens against the other's will.

Beyond the plain sexual aspect: I do mind. Yet it does not have anything to do with their sexuality, I feel disturbed by homosexuals who provoke with their sexuality, like men wearing dresses, behaving more female than women do etc. But after all that does not disturb me more than maybe drunken people, stoned people, loud and rude people and others alike.
I'm a very quiet and silent guy who does not disturb anyone in public, therefore I expect others not to disturb me also.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 16, 2004, 08:05:14 Vormittag
Zitat von: "evilshell"

I personally believe that to be true - everyone is bisexual, some more than others, some less.


Interesting aspect, but I also have to strongly disagree for myself. Or maybe we should figure out what "bisexuality" after all means. Does it only mean having sex with a person from the same sex? Does it begin at calling a person of the same gender  "attractive"?
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Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Dezember 16, 2004, 10:23:06 Vormittag
Definitions of Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, Bisexuality ... are culturally determined.
That is, there is no obvious clearcut general definition. Even the clinical ones are prone to misunderstanding.

If you are really interested, here is a bibliography on _Gay and Lesbian Language_ http://www.ling.nwu.edu/~ward/newbib.html

It is very long, covers the complete world and is mainly concerned with language. However, some are language philosophy, some are history and some are a mix of everything.

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 16, 2004, 10:38:44 Vormittag
Well, a general definition of any of these terms won't get us anywhere in this matter I believe.
It would be more important to know what the people who did research on that topic had in mind when they brought up those "facts".
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Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Dezember 16, 2004, 10:50:54 Vormittag
I hope you have a lot of time to read, Basti.
:)

The bibliography I mentioned is a list of roughly 50 pages when printed out. And that is only the research concerned with language.

If you think about medical research, it will even be more (and some rather strange stuff, too) because you'll have to start reading with publications before 1900...
:)

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 16, 2004, 11:07:36 Vormittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
I hope you have a lot of time to read, Basti.
:)


Hardly ;)
My reading will be focussing on: "Open Source and Free Software - Informational freedom beaten by free economy?" (working title ;) ) My seminar work needs to be done until the middle of January '05 :-/

Zitat von: "TexJoachim"

The bibliography I mentioned is a list of roughly 50 pages when printed out. And that is only the research concerned with language.


Okay, I feel scared already... ;)

Zitat von: "TexJoachim"

If you think about medical research, it will even be more (and some rather strange stuff, too) because you'll have to start reading with publications before 1900...
:)


Maybe when I have a lot of spare time... Perhaps in 50 or 60 years after I retired? ;)
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 16, 2004, 03:11:50 Nachmittag
i am defelently bi sexual, only i cant fel in love at woman, but sex with a woman yes i can have  :P yeah.
a lot of friends of me are gay, i dont have any problem with it, if people love each other it doesnt matter if they have the same sex.
Gay's dont hurt us, lesbians dont hear us as well, let them live them own life,
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Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Dezember 16, 2004, 03:18:43 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "AoP"
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Or maybe we should figure out what "bisexuality" after all means. Does it only mean having sex with a person from the same sex? Does it begin at calling a person of the same gender  "attractive"?


I think this is a more important statement than we think. What  one feels is right comes from themselves, their perspective, and their experiences.
It is very hard to know what someone is thinking, going back to Phenomenology, Husserl, and Heiddegar (sp?), can you really know  the same as someone else, having experienced different lives, thus shaping our perspectives? I had enough discussion pertaining to this in class last semester, ugh....
I am happy to see the consensus of "to each his own", and I agree that any over the top display of ANY behavior, is annoying.
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 16, 2004, 03:25:48 Nachmittag
For some people is them bi sexuality only for sex, i do think we all can have sex with someone just for sex, sex is very naturaly and nice to do. we dont need to be inlove at someone to enjoy sex.  i also understand and have respect for people who only can enjoy sex with them partner. but we are all different people with different feelings.
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 16, 2004, 04:59:55 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"
Of course you can have sex without having any other feelings for the person, but it's NOT ok if you have a partner. In that case you should be single. Unless he/she are in to it.


Its ok if you both agree with it, What people are doing in them own bedroom is not or business,
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 16, 2004, 05:01:22 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Mas"
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"
Of course you can have sex without having any other feelings for the person, but it's NOT ok if you have a partner. In that case you should be single. Unless he/she are in to it.


Its ok if you both agree with it, What people are doing in them own bedroom is not or business,


True.
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Beitrag von: jim sarissa am Dezember 16, 2004, 06:18:09 Nachmittag
Ok here is a more challenging one

Imagine you are married and have 2 children,lets say about 4 and 8 years old.
Now you are sitting with the family in front the T.V
and watching a film.
And suddenly in one scene, they are two guys,
and they start kissing eachother with passion....and your kids got shocked .
Then they start asking what it was what the saw ....
What have you to answer them....??????
This goes to all of you which have  no problem and think  Homosexuality is something natural. :idea:
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Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Dezember 16, 2004, 06:30:16 Nachmittag
I would hope that I wo\uld be open enough with my own children to discuss ANY topic. I would try to be as matter of fact about it, but also keep in mind age appropriateness. You only can explain so much to 4 to 8 year olds, allow them to ask questions, etc.
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Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 16, 2004, 06:34:13 Nachmittag
Hm, first of all, if they start kissing each other with passion, I seriously have to ask if children should see a movie of that kind at all, no matter if the passionate kissing (which is most likely to be "foreplay" in most movies) is between a man and a woman or two men or two women.  

Nevertheless, asking a question like that is problematic as it includes the idea of kissing people of the same gender is unnatural - in my opinion, that is the wrong way to raise children nowadays.
Therefore, let me ask you another question: Why should the explanation be another than the one you'd give if your children would see a "common" couple kissing?

But no more talk, here's my explanation:

"If a person loves another person, it is not unusual for them to kiss each other. Your mommy and daddy are kissing each other, because they love each other and just like that those two men were kissing each other because they love each other. Kissing is an expression of sympathy."

Yet I have to say I will never, under no circumstances, be so insane to condemn children to live in this world.
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Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Dezember 16, 2004, 06:45:38 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "jim sarissa"
Ok here is a more challenging one

Imagine you are married and have 2 children,lets say about 4 and 8 years old.
Now you are sitting with the family in front the T.V
and watching a film.
And suddenly in one scene, they are two guys,
and they start kissing eachother with passion....and your kids got shocked .
Then they start asking what it was what the saw ....
What have you to answer them....??????
This goes to all of you which have  no problem and think  Homosexuality is something natural. :idea:


Why would your kids be shocked?  Maybe they would be curious or wondering but shocked!  I find that behavior strange.
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Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am Dezember 16, 2004, 06:56:55 Nachmittag
Well, for one, I wouldn't subject any young children of mine to serious displays of romantic affection in movies (ie., really sucking face and going at it) if they saw two men kiss affectionately I would explain to them that there are different kinds of love between people, and that sometimes men love other men, and women love other women.

And should they see two people of the same gender really going at it in public, I would again explain the different kinds of love, and then let them know that some people have no sense of decency, no matter what your sexual preference.  Basically, the same way I would explain two heterosexual people really going at it in a public place.  Public Displays of Affection are unneccisary when that extreme.

However, I don't plan on having any childbeasts of my own, so this won't be an issue.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Dezember 16, 2004, 07:08:58 Nachmittag
There are several issues all lumped together here; Sexual identity, gender identity, sexual attraction and the difference between sex for simple pleasure vs. love.

Homosexuality,as I see it, is simply having sexual feelings exclusively for people of the same sex as themselves, Hetrosexuality is exclusive sexual attraction to those of the opposite sex. I see Bisexuality  in the middle as a continum, as several others who posted said, and being anyone who may have any degree of feelings or actions towards both sexes. It has no value judgement associated with it. Like most people I am  somewhere in the middle on that line.

The issue of female bisexuality vs. male bisexuality is very interesting to me. Many more women would describe themselves as bisexual than men I think. And the bisexual female seems to be readily accepted (hell, pretty much encouraged) by males. but males seem to have a much harder time accepting the fact that they may  have any possible feelings for other males. I know men who are married with children yet have sex with men on the side but would NEVER call themselves bisexual....well what the hell is is then??? Why the denial????
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Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Dezember 16, 2004, 07:18:11 Nachmittag
Well. Everything worth saying is already said.
Just wanna add something, kinda said already.
In my opinion, it is really important nowadays to make kids understand that people are different and may have different kinds of sexualities. Cause a) you never know if your child is gonna be gay, hetero or bi; I bet it would be nicer to the child if he/she knows that his/her parents are okay with gays or bis (for examp. there are gays and bis, who never dare to tell their parents, because they have no idea how they'd react. Ofcourse, some are against it too...) Atleast it was a lot easier for me, at the time I figured out my own sexuality. B) ignorance can _Sometimes_ lead to hatred etc.

Peace and Love no matter what you are  :mrgreen:
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Dezember 16, 2004, 08:39:43 Nachmittag
As far as if  the question of homosexuality being nature vs. choise
In the reading I've done in this area from the standpoints of anthropology, sociology, biology, psychology  it shows that across different cultures, historical eras, times where it is acceptable and times when it is frowned upon or even legally banned, the percentage of homosexuals changes very little.That would indicate its biologically based.
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 16, 2004, 09:04:59 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "jim sarissa"
Ok here is a more challenging one

Imagine you are married and have 2 children,lets say about 4 and 8 years old.
Now you are sitting with the family in front the T.V
and watching a film.
And suddenly in one scene, they are two guys,
and they start kissing eachother with passion....and your kids got shocked .
Then they start asking what it was what the saw ....
What have you to answer them....??????
This goes to all of you which have  no problem and think  Homosexuality is something natural. :idea:


Jim i have 2 children, my son is 13 my daughter is 9, they grow up with my gay friends, for my kids it is normal like a hetero kissing scene is normal.
2 of my best friends (gays) are married as well, so for my kids is it normal, very normal.  :D
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Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Dezember 16, 2004, 09:56:24 Nachmittag
Metalmaiden, yeah, and there are many people to prove what you have read! :)
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Beitrag von: shadowman am Dezember 16, 2004, 11:13:04 Nachmittag
Virva ? What happened with your nice avatar ???

 :cry:  :cry:

My favorite football team (Brugge) got kicked out of the UEFA cup but this is WAY more depressing.... Bohohohohohoho...
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Beitrag von: Odin am Dezember 17, 2004, 12:39:48 Vormittag
Well, too late for something new to say, just wanted to comment on the answers themselves; great. You really hit the spots here. Why should they be shocked? They would have been raised with certain prejudices and intensive influence of some kind already. I wouldn't even speak of "different kinds of love", but simply as AoP stated it - no matter who it is, if two people love each other, they express their love in certain ways, one of them is kissing. Period. Nothing to worry about.
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Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Dezember 17, 2004, 10:00:00 Vormittag
Shadow  :lol:  Virva sounds like visva, and that is a... hmmh... deceice. Ugly one too.
So if you need to call me something, take the tuli one instead ;)
And hey, that avatar is nice... If you just don't see that white stuff. Finntroll's haveing a beer :cheers:

Im really happy to see that there are so many who feel so okay about gays... Atleast the world is going to the right direction with that one, huh...
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Beitrag von: evilshell am Dezember 17, 2004, 12:19:19 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "jim sarissa"
Ok here is a more challenging one

Imagine you are married and have 2 children,lets say about 4 and 8 years old.
Now you are sitting with the family in front the T.V
and watching a film.
And suddenly in one scene, they are two guys,
and they start kissing eachother with passion....and your kids got shocked .
Then they start asking what it was what the saw ....
What have you to answer them....??????
This goes to all of you which have  no problem and think  Homosexuality is something natural. :idea:


There's absolutely  nothing challenging about this one. I wouldn't be comfortable having kids that age seeing any kind of passionate sexual scene - gay, straight, orgy, whatever. However, if that did occur, my answer would be rather simple. Kissing is one of the ways that two people who love eachother express that love.
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 17, 2004, 08:26:14 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "jim sarissa"
Ok here is a more challenging one

Imagine you are married and have 2 children,lets say about 4 and 8 years old.
Now you are sitting with the family in front the T.V
and watching a film.
And suddenly in one scene, they are two guys,
and they start kissing eachother with passion....and your kids got shocked .
Then they start asking what it was what the saw ....
What have you to answer them....??????
This goes to all of you which have  no problem and think  Homosexuality is something natural. :idea:


I never said that it's natural, but I don't have a problem with it. You seem to. Right?! :wink:
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Beitrag von: jim sarissa am Dezember 18, 2004, 12:36:45 Vormittag
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"
I never said that it's natural, but I don't have a problem with it. You seem to. Right?! :wink:

It's just not my kind of choice,and i never would serve it to my kids, like a cup of tea,if you now what i mean
I'm in the traditional way of thinking on this theme , and if Homosexuality would be so natural i'm afraid the human race would be lost for a long time ago.
Maybe the time has come.....according to the statements of this topic  :lol:
So aloud me to disagree
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 18, 2004, 02:39:44 Vormittag
no no no wrong, to be gay is good for the population in this world, the population is to big, at least in the netherlands it is.  :wink:

and no i dont introduce gay's like a cup of tea to my kids, that thought is hilarious, they are just friends like my hetero friends, it doesnt matter how you are.
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 18, 2004, 07:37:49 Vormittag
Zitat
It's just not my kind of choice,and i never would serve it to my kids, like a cup of tea,if you now what i mean


Agree with you there. I shall not say to my child: Son, homosexuallity is the most natural thing in the world. Cause it's not.  But I will tell him to respect every man / woman no matter what their sexual tendency are.

Zitat
Maybe the time has come.....according to the statements of this topic  
So aloud me to disagree


Absolutely. Every one has the right to their own opinnion.

Zitat
no no no wrong, to be gay is good for the population in this world, the population is to big,


'cmon Mas. That's the worst argument I have ever heard.  :laugh:
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Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 18, 2004, 09:41:21 Vormittag
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"
Zitat
It's just not my kind of choice,and i never would serve it to my kids, like a cup of tea,if you now what i mean


Agree with you there. I shall not say to my child: Son, homosexuallity is the most natural thing in the world. Cause it's not.  But I will tell him to respect every man / woman no matter what their sexual tendency are.

Zitat
Maybe the time has come.....according to the statements of this topic  
So aloud me to disagree


Absolutely. Every one has the right to their own opinnion.


FULL ACK.
And Jim, dude, that is what you appearantly got wrong in first place. The question is not if anyone would recommend being homosexual or if anyone would want to be homosexual - the question is how to deal with people who are in fact homosexual. And the appropriate approach these days seems to be only this:
Tolerance. Though one does not feel attracted to people of the same gender, one does not dare to criticize people who do but one accepts and tries to live with it.
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 18, 2004, 09:58:46 Vormittag
Zitat von: "AoP"


FULL ACK.


Que? Help me out here.
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Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 18, 2004, 10:12:24 Vormittag
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"
Zitat von: "AoP"


FULL ACK.


Que? Help me out here.


Full Acknowledged => Completely agreed.
Hint: acronymfinder.com can help out in cases like that ;)
It does not know "Full ACK" but at least it knows "ACK".
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Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 18, 2004, 10:17:30 Vormittag
Thanx for the link. :) At last I know what you guys talk about.  :lol2:
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Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 18, 2004, 01:14:31 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "K. Beckman"

Zitat
no no no wrong, to be gay is good for the population in this world, the population is to big,


'cmon Mas. That's the worst argument I have ever heard.  :laugh:


LOL, i was just kidding, but..................... its kinda true isnt it :silly:


AoP's note: Fixed quoting
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: K. Beckman am Dezember 18, 2004, 02:10:09 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Mas"


LOL, i was just kidding, but..................... its kinda true isnt it :silly:


Well, yes :roll:  :wink:
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Beitrag von: jim sarissa am Dezember 18, 2004, 06:45:15 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "AoP"


FULL ACK.

Come on people its difficult enough to express my self , with the english language,
and then your sending this ufo's in
 :lol:
make life easier.

AOP:
versuch mal ein bisschen unkomplizierter englisch zu sprechen,dude ich bekomme Kopfschmerzen,ich bin immer noch am raten was du sagen willst
aber ich komme noch drauf  :evil:
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 18, 2004, 07:07:19 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "jim sarissa"
Zitat von: "AoP"


FULL ACK.

Come on people its difficult enough to express my self , with the english language,
and then your sending this ufo's in
 :lol:
make life easier.

AOP:
versuch mal ein bisschen unkomplizierter englisch zu sprechen,dude ich bekomme Kopfschmerzen,ich bin immer noch am raten was du sagen willst
aber ich komme noch drauf  :evil:


Was genau verstehst Du nicht? "Full ACK"? Heisst etwa "Vollste Zustimmung".
Ansonsten bitte nachfragen. Aber Respekt, Dein Deutsch scheint besser zu sein, als Dein Englisch :)
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Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Dezember 18, 2004, 07:16:21 Nachmittag
How many fuckin languages you all speek??!! :D
I'm just glad understanding the Deutsch you just spoke
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Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 18, 2004, 07:49:32 Nachmittag
Hm, good question. I used to learn french in school for 2 years and I'm able to at least get a basic idea of most sentences and thanks to 5 years Latin I'm able recognize some words in spanish and italian sentences ;)
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Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Dezember 18, 2004, 07:57:58 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"
How many fuckin languages you all speek??!! :D
I'm just glad understanding the Deutsch you just spoke


German (native)
English
Latin
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Greetz,

Tex
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: shadowman am Dezember 18, 2004, 10:23:51 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "AoP"
Hm, good question. I used to learn french in school for 2 years and I'm able to at least get a basic idea of most sentences and thanks to 5 years Latin I'm able recognize some words in spanish and italian sentences ;)


Alors ca c'est vraiment quelque chose de très intéressante! Le prochain fois qu'on se rencontre n'importe où ou quand, on peut parler en Français n'est ce pas ?
Deux ans de lessons Français ça vaut quand-même quelque' chose !  Si tu veux on peut déja s'exercer un peu par commencer avec des messages personelles dans la langue de Molière !!
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Mas am Dezember 19, 2004, 03:51:30 Vormittag
Zitat von: "shadowman"
Zitat von: "AoP"
Hm, good question. I used to learn french in school for 2 years and I'm able to at least get a basic idea of most sentences and thanks to 5 years Latin I'm able recognize some words in spanish and italian sentences ;)


Alors ca c'est vraiment quelque chose de très intéressante! Le prochain fois qu'on se rencontre n'importe où ou quand, on peut parler en Français n'est ce pas ?
Deux ans de lessons Français ça vaut quand-même quelque' chose !  Si tu veux on peut déja s'exercer un peu par commencer avec des messages personelles dans la langue de Molière !!



yeah hehe ShadowMan, everyone in Belgium talks france! i think the dutch people are jealouse at that.
hehe
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Dezember 19, 2004, 10:11:38 Vormittag
Zitat von: "shadowman"
Zitat von: "AoP"
Hm, good question. I used to learn french in school for 2 years and I'm able to at least get a basic idea of most sentences and thanks to 5 years Latin I'm able recognize some words in spanish and italian sentences ;)


Alors ca c'est vraiment quelque chose de très intéressante! Le prochain fois qu'on se rencontre n'importe où ou quand, on peut parler en Français n'est ce pas ?
Deux ans de lessons Français ça vaut quand-même quelque' chose !  Si tu veux on peut déja s'exercer un peu par commencer avec des messages personelles dans la langue de Molière !!


Thanks for the offering, dude :)
Yet you should know I left french with 6 (that's an F ;). Yeah, my french sucks a really big lot.
I definitely need some time to find my way back into that, and until my A-levels exams I suppose won't have that time :(
But I'll definitely get back to you :)
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: evilshell am Februar 08, 2005, 08:50:44 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"
Zitat von: "evilshell"
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"
Nothing really to say, except from the stand point that I feel that we are all a little to some extent, but that is my view. To each his own.


Actually, there was a study that had every person being bisexual...I wish I could remember the name of the researcher(s).

I personally believe that to be true - everyone is bisexual, some more than others, some less.


I remember hearing about this, I will look it up. I would be interested to see when it was written.


Better late than never. In a completely unrelated discussion elsewhere, I ran across The Kinsey Institute's Kinsey Sexuality Rating Scale - exactly what we were talking about:

http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/ak-hhscale.html
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Mas am Februar 09, 2005, 01:04:40 Vormittag
this scale means more people are bi sexual or homosexual?
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Februar 09, 2005, 01:51:15 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Mas"
this scale means more people are bi sexual or homosexual?


No, it means that one's sexuality is in a constant flux.
:)

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Februar 09, 2005, 04:01:22 Nachmittag
Yeah that is a really confusing graph, (and I do not mean for evilshell) especially since many do not read that explanation of the graph, just look at the pics, (no offense Mas, this has NOTHING to do with you, just a comment on how people manipulate with statistic and graphs). That graph could have been flipped upside down and meant the same, as the writers intended to use it, and people would come away with the opposite observation as you did.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: evilshell am Februar 09, 2005, 09:07:46 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"
Yeah that is a really confusing graph, (and I do not mean for evilshell) especially since many do not read that explanation of the graph, just look at the pics, (no offense Mas, this has NOTHING to do with you, just a comment on how people manipulate with statistic and graphs). That graph could have been flipped upside down and meant the same, as the writers intended to use it, and people would come away with the opposite observation as you did.


Yeah, that wasn't the clearest bit of a webpage I've ever seen....but I was just so happy to finally see that report (since we'd talked about it, but I couldn't remember who did it) that I just posted without explanation! Silly me  :lol2:
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Februar 10, 2005, 03:49:13 Vormittag
Yeah and with the release of the movie Kinsey, I can't beleive that I could not remember any of the subjects he wrote about.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Elentie am Mai 24, 2005, 01:45:54 Vormittag
I'm sort of bisexual. I'm somewhere between bisexual and lesbian...it's pretty complicated. :P

People always talk about how difficult times are for the homosexuals but they never talk about the situation for the bisexuals. It far worse. If you are bisexual you are not fully welcome in the heterosexual society because you like people of youre on gender but you are not totaly accepted in the gay society either because you like people of the opposite sex. Many people look at you as a person who can't deside if you want to be gay or straight. That is a pretty complicated situation. I don't say that all gay or straight people looke at bisexuals this way but some do and I think it is a problem. The bisexuals are pretty neglected in the modern society.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Mai 24, 2005, 02:51:21 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Elentie"
I'm sort of bisexual. I'm somewhere between bisexual and lesbian...it's pretty complicated. :P

People always talk about how difficult times are for the homosexuals but they never talk about the situation for the bisexuals. It far worse. If you are bisexual you are not fully welcome in the heterosexual society because you like people of youre on gender but you are not totaly accepted in the gay society either because you like people of the opposite sex. Many people look at you as a person who can't deside if you want to be gay or straight. That is a pretty complicated situation. I don't say that all gay or straight people looke at bisexuals this way but some do and I think it is a problem. The bisexuals are pretty neglected in the modern society.


Hehehe..i had a friend who lived in Hamburg but was South African originally..he was bisexual..you know what he loved to say?  "When you are straight you get to f..k with half of the world, when you are bi , you get to f..k with everybody" !!!  :lol:
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Mai 24, 2005, 09:49:20 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Elentie"
I'm sort of bisexual. I'm somewhere between bisexual and lesbian...it's pretty complicated. :P

People always talk about how difficult times are for the homosexuals but they never talk about the situation for the bisexuals. It far worse. If you are bisexual you are not fully welcome in the heterosexual society because you like people of youre on gender but you are not totaly accepted in the gay society either because you like people of the opposite sex. Many people look at you as a person who can't deside if you want to be gay or straight. That is a pretty complicated situation. I don't say that all gay or straight people looke at bisexuals this way but some do and I think it is a problem. The bisexuals are pretty neglected in the modern society.


Hmh... I think it depends on persons ;)
At least I do not choose my friends by their sexual preferences, heck, even heteros go ;)
But anyways, I wouldn't even want to be a friend of some gay nor hetero who thinks I'm inferior to them, because I "can't make my mind"... Bullshit, I just share my love to everyone ;) (or was it to anyone? Can't seem to remember..)
And I dunno if the bisexuals are neglected... But perhaps those who try to be something they aren't? ;) At least here we had an era, where being bi was "in". It will settle down, I guess.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Elentie am Mai 24, 2005, 11:47:56 Vormittag
Zitat von: "dorian jane"
Hehehe..i had a friend who lived in Hamburg but was South African originally..he was bisexual..you know what he loved to say?  "When you are straight you get to f..k with half of the world, when you are bi , you get to f..k with everybody" !!!  :lol:


*lol* Thats very true! I jused to say something like that to...


Virvatuli: I agree that it's different from person to person,
Yes, i wonder fot how long it will stay that way...it pretty interesting how sexuallity could be something to make the top of the "in list" or what you'd call it.  :wink:
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Mas am Mai 28, 2005, 09:38:45 Nachmittag
I think a lot of people dont understand bi sexuality, i dont shame about it but i am deffelently Bi Sexual.......... but that doesnt mean that i have sex with different persons!

There are lots of hetero people who have sex with other people, but i just love my lover and i should never have sex with someone else because i am a bi sexual.
The only difference is that i can fall in love at a woman or a man.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Mai 28, 2005, 11:56:27 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Mas"

The only difference is that i can fall in love at a woman or a man.


I would like to say that falling in love with someone doesn't always have to do with sex.
What if you fall in love with someone's mind? What if he/she belongs to the same sex as you do? Does it make you a homo? or a bi?
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Mai 29, 2005, 03:00:18 Vormittag
It depends on if you define the term broadly or narrowly.
For me when you say sexuality, ie. bi-, homo-, hetero-, I am looking at it  strictly as who I  am attracted to with thoughts of sexual feelings. I don't have to act on them (If I am with one person I don't have sex with others unless it is something that we both would want) but the natural interest is there.
You can fall in love with a mind of a  man or a woman but have no desire to be intimate with them in a sexual way. I don't think that would determine your sexuality.  And there are many different kinds of love.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Mai 29, 2005, 10:50:40 Vormittag
Zitat von: "dorian jane"


I would like to say that falling in love with someone doesn't always have to do with sex.
What if you fall in love with someone's mind? What if he/she belongs to the same sex as you do? Does it make you a homo? or a bi?


What if a 60 years old man falls in love with a childs mind? Is it still normal? After all, he loves the mind, that just happens to be in a childs body...

Got my point? ;) Minds don't just float all over the place. They belong to people.

(Different thing is, if someone fools you over the internet or something... but then you would love a lie)
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Mai 29, 2005, 12:15:32 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Metalmaiden"
It depends on if you define the term broadly or narrowly.
For me when you say sexuality, ie. bi-, homo-, hetero-, I am looking at it  strictly as who I  am attracted to with thoughts of sexual feelings. I don't have to act on them (If I am with one person I don't have sex with others unless it is something that we both would want) but the natural interest is there.
You can fall in love with a mind of a  man or a woman but have no desire to be intimate with them in a sexual way. I don't think that would determine your sexuality.  And there are many different kinds of love.


Yeap, i think this gets the issue covered.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Mai 29, 2005, 12:24:06 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"

What if a 60 years old man falls in love with a childs mind? Is it still normal? After all, he loves the mind, that just happens to be in a childs body...

This is , i believe, a completely different thing. Either you're talking of a man who wishes he was young again, or of someone really sick.

Zitat

 Minds don't just float all over the place. They belong to people.

Yeah, but different minds belong to different people.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Mai 30, 2005, 04:35:55 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"

At least I do not choose my friends by their sexual preferences, heck, even heteros go ;)
But anyways, I wouldn't even want to be a friend of some gay nor hetero who thinks I'm inferior to them, because I "can't make my mind"...


I think that being a bi is much better than being a homo...i believe it's more open-minded, if not anything else.So to me, those who ask you to make up yr mind are the inferior ones.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Virvatuli am Mai 30, 2005, 06:19:13 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "dorian jane"
Zitat von: "Virvatuli"

At least I do not choose my friends by their sexual preferences, heck, even heteros go ;)
But anyways, I wouldn't even want to be a friend of some gay nor hetero who thinks I'm inferior to them, because I "can't make my mind"...


I think that being a bi is much better than being a homo...i believe it's more open-minded, if not anything else.So to me, those who ask you to make up yr mind are the inferior ones.


In my opinion being a homo is as bad as being a hetero. Or as good. See it as you like ;)
I don't think that gays feel like they would be missing something, neither heteros... Ah, we are all just equal ;)
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Mas am Juni 07, 2005, 09:37:23 Nachmittag
well...... we all have a different meaning about bi or hetero or homo or lesbian, the most important thing is that your feel happy with how you are.
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Juni 08, 2005, 12:50:42 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Mas"
well...... we all have a different meaning about bi or hetero or homo or lesbian, the most important thing is that your feel happy with how you are.


 8)
Titel: HOMOSEXUAL-BI SEXUAL
Beitrag von: Mas am Juni 08, 2005, 11:14:35 Vormittag
its just so true,