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Zombies => Falconer => Thema gestartet von: Stefan W am Dezember 10, 2008, 09:02:46 Nachmittag
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AMONG BEGGARS AND THIEVES 8/10
Some of our most detailed and multi leveled songs are on this album.
Finally devoting some songs to be more "musical-goes-metal" just making me more hungry.
A top-of-the-notch song like "Dreams and pyres" even out a somewhat boring one like "Viddernas man".
Another "fast just for the sake of being fast" song is "Pale light of silver moon" allthough it´s lyric is one of my best.
The most diverse album for sure and the most dramatic.
Maybe lacking some easy digested hit-songs of the album's predecessor.
What it doesn't lack is double bass drums!
Fave songs: Dreams and pyres, Mountain men, Vargaskall
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This album gets better with every listen, for me.
I was wondering about "Dreams and Pyres." Given that this was the first song of its kind that you've written, how challenging was it for you? Did you always intend to have three voices in the song, or did that come later on? And now that you've done an epic "metal musical" track, will Falconer ever do a full-on concept album?
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First time I heard the album I felt a little disappointed. I think I had expected the more "easy" and catchy sound on Northwind. However, a few month later I found that this album grows on you. Love it to the bone and it is surely a Falconer album in all the ways possible.
Faves: Carnival of Disgust (One of the best songs ever made by Falconer), Dreams and Pyres, Viddernas man.
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10/10
This is actually my fave Falconer album!!!
Fave songs: Vargaskall, Dreams and Pyres, Skula Skorpa Skalk, Carnival of Disgust
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This album gets better with every listen, for me.
I was wondering about "Dreams and Pyres." Given that this was the first song of its kind that you've written, how challenging was it for you? Did you always intend to have three voices in the song, or did that come later on? And now that you've done an epic "metal musical" track, will Falconer ever do a full-on concept album?
It was quite challenging but I think most of the time it took was laid on the orchestrations and stuff.
Most challenging and among the most satisfying songs I´ve written.
I knew from the beginning when I had the story that it would be 3 voices.
A full concept album in this kind of style would take a long time to make and I don't know how we would rehearse it, then ofcourse it would sound......not like the true Falconer so.....I´m sceptical.
None theless it´s not the last time I do a song in this style (well, maybe not as orchestral)
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Hm... 3 voices...
Guys, an interesting idea popped into my mind just now.
In case Stefan writes another song for, lets say, three voices - why not let the singers be Rickard Martinsson, Kristoffer Göbel and, of course, Mathias Blad? The voice of Mithotyn, Ex-Falconer and "neo-old" Falconer :)
I mean, those are three completely different voices which would make a really interesting mix. I'm just fantasizing about WHAT the song would sound like! I'd say some really heavy and epic metal song.
just a silly idea :)
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I think that would be cool. But I don't know if there are hard feelings or not between the "old" vocalists, and the current band. That might make it difficult. :/
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Hm... 3 voices...
Guys, an interesting idea popped into my mind just now.
In case Stefan writes another song for, lets say, three voices - why not let the singers be Rickard Martinsson, Kristoffer Göbel and, of course, Mathias Blad? The voice of Mithotyn, Ex-Falconer and "neo-old" Falconer :)
I mean, those are three completely different voices which would make a really interesting mix. I'm just fantasizing about WHAT the song would sound like! I'd say some really heavy and epic metal song.
just a silly idea :)
Killer idea!
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Let´s not forget that I sang on the first Mithotyn album, so now we have 4 vocalists!!!!
Ooh yeah!!
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ARRRGH!!! Spare us that torture! It's hideous enough to hear you talk with that outrrrrraaageous accent of yours. :arsch:
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How about Beckmann?? His voice was the highpoints of 'Gathered...'
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I know I would love something like that. But I don't think it would be as happely recieved among "normal" Falconer fans.
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I know I would love something like that. But I don't think it would be as happely recieved among "normal" Falconer fans.
As long as this happens for one single song, I don't think anybody would have anything against it. Even the die hard hardcore Falconites :)
Yeah, definitely include Karl Beckmann too! "Old Rover" is a classic!
Damn! Fellow Falconites - just imagine what an ensemble that would be :) The vocal essence of Mithotyn and Falconer.
I personally feel, that this would make a really stunning project. At least in theory ;)
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I'm not sure what a "normal" Falconer fan is supposed to be. ;)
So we need a five-piece vocal track for the next Falconer album, with all those vocalists mention. YES.
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I'm not sure what a "normal" Falconer fan is supposed to be. ;)
Well, I meant people like a bunch from my hometown, they listen to bands like Falconer, Hammerfall, Iron Maiden, and what's popular at the moment, like Evergrey and DragonForce. I don't say that it's bad bands but, that's it for them. And they rarely buy the albums, just download it. They would not understand, they have probably never heard Mithtyn either... So... To hell with them! Hehe
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Quick question,
Is that other guy singing at all in the song Mountain Men?
I hear another voice, but I can't tell if it is Mathias or that other guy (whose name escapes me at the moment)
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He also does some backing vocals in the chorus of Mountain Men
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Oh really? I had originally thought that it was just Matthias doing some layered vocals.
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If you ever have a male guest singer again, might I suggest the lead singer of van canto --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shw3lYC6DsY
Besides Mathias, he strikes me as having the most unique in metal. Apart from the fact that the band is an A Capella Metal band, how freaking cool is that?
van canto is fucking AWESOME, you should totally try to get Dennis Schunke to guest voice
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I'd rather they bring in Roy Khan from Kamelot. Roy Khan + Mathias Blad = THE VOCAL SEX.
Yeah, I know...dream on, Joan. :P
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I think Mathias and Roy have some similarities, no wonder I love Roy´s voice.
Kamelot is one of the best metal bands out there.
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I think Mathias and Roy have some similarities, no wonder I love Roy´s voice.
Kamelot is one of the best metal bands out there.
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I agree too!
Kamelot was one of the very first power metal bands I listened to. "Don't you cry" is one of my most favourite ballads ever!
Did you guys know that Roy Khan is partly Indian?
Anyways, Kamelot is one of so many bands, that never come to Austria... well, too bad!
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Actually, he's 1/4 Thai. ;) *has a bit of a crush on Roy Khan*
He and Mathias both have well-trained, beautiful voices. Roy's Tenor would contrast beautifully with Mathias' baritone.
Unfortunately, Roy's voice doesn't hold up live as well as it used to. Which is a shame. The last time I saw Kamelot, his high range was nonexistant, and when he tried to do some of those high notes, his voice cracked, or just gave out on him. I've only seen Kamelot twice, so it's been 50/50 for me. My boyfriend has seen Khan live 6 times (once with Conception! Lucky bastard) and he said 4 out of those 6, Khan's voice was not up to par. That's a real shame. :(
But as long as they keep writing good music, I'll keep buying their albums. :)
I also wish that Arjen Lucasson would invite Mathias to sing on an Ayreon album. That would make me a very happy bunny. :bangersmiley:
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Stefan, all I know is that you should give Van Canto a serious listen.
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Wasn't too impressed by Van Canto except for the female singer. She´s great.
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She is. It's a shame SHE didn't end up as Nightwish's new singer. Van Canto's "Wishmaster" cover is fantastic.
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Really? What about it dont you like? I was impressed by his voice, and not as much with the woman. I guess I'm weird.
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I'd say that Dennis Schunke's voice is pretty average... I like Van Canto simply because they are hilariously fun to listen to (Wishmaster cover :56:).
I think the replacement for Nightwish should have been Heidi Parviainen from Amberian Dawn. They have pretty similar vocal ranges.
Thirdly, I'd love to see a collaboration between Falconer and Turisas. I have no idea if Blad and Nygard would match up well together, but they do have the same first name! Plus... Turisas is great, Falconer is great, what could possibly go wrong?
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Kamelot and Falconer have been my two favorite bands ever since I started listening to metal back in -04 I think.. Even up to this day, nothing compares to those bands exept maybe Sonata Arctica, who have a few good songs like "Don't Say a Word"- also a wonderful vocalist, check it out on Youtube, guys! I'd be overjoyed if Falconer had him as a guest artist sometime.
I found both Falconer and Kamelot through the internet on the same day. There was a guy sending me one song from each band through MSN - and it ended up with me buying all albums from both bands. Filesharing isn't always bad, it helped me get in touch with the music I love.
It's also cool that you've listened to Kamelot, Stefan.. I've seen them live twice and sneaked up backstage to meet them and to get their autographs with a friend once.. I actually asked Roy if he'd heard Falconer, but he said no. It would be cool if you ever got to be their opener, I'd give anything for such a show.
EDIT: Link to the song by Sonata Arctica for the lazy bums http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEUjbBMOUBg
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(well, I just found this forum now, although I listen to Falconer since longer... :icon_redface: so hi for everyone here! ;D)
my suggestion for a guest-vocalist is also Tony Kakko (from Sonata Arctica). I love his voice exactly so much as the voice of Mathias, I can never decide between them... their duet would be really awesome! (imo)
But I don't want to be too "off": ABAT is one of the best albums ever! (faves: Dreams and Pyres, Mountain Man, Boiling Led)
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Phew, lots of things to catch up with. ;)
ABAT: This album still has not grown on my. I was a little disappointed, but knew that it would have to grow, because of the different approach (not so catchy as Northwind). But until now I did not have the time and patience to put much effort in ABAT. It just does not work for me like the other albums do. Listening to Northwind at the moment - maybe ABAT will accompany me in the car tonight and have better chances there.
Regarding vocalists: Roy Khan is no fun watching and listening live, I personally think. He behaves like a diva and does not justify this by a great vocal performance. SONATA ARCTICA are much better for me. But that's all different topics. ;)
Anyone ever listened to Infernal Vengeance, Karl Beckman's recent band? I'd really like to have him on that new track (how far is the songwriting by the way, Stefan? ;) ).
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Among Beggars and Thieves: one of the great albums of all time. Well, a good album, anyway. Dreams and Pyres is among my favorite songs, probably in my top 5 favorite somewhere. I love the duet a la piano at the beginning, then the orchestral part, and the metal-opera chorus parts...great song from start to finish. I agree there should be more like that, especially with multiple voices together. Mathias should do a duet with ZP Theart from Dragonforce! Heh heh...just joking. That would sound like crap. I like what I've read you guys suggest as to another male vocalist, although I think Mathias with a female voice (such as the one in ABAT) is much better.
Anyway, I also really enjoyed Man of the Hour, although I think that the vocals weren't the best on the chorus, and I really liked Field of Sorrow, Carnival of Disgust, Mountain Men...basically the CD. Keep up the good work guys! Falconer is my favorite band ever! Now if only we could get you guys to come to the US...ah, well. Hope springs eternal.
So long! Can't wait for another ABAT, or whatever you guys feel like putting out. This CD was probably...yeah, 8 out of 10 is probably about right, Stefan. Good record.
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@munkaboo: it's so cool, you mentioned Van Canto here, because I never heard about them before, but they're fantastic! (and as you said, really unique in the metal-scene) So thanks and keep on listening to such great bands! :bangersmiley:
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I think this is a brilliant album, I did a short review of it in another thread here sometime but it have gotten even better since. Right now I think it even tops the first Falconer album, which I use to claim to be the best one. And this is even though the unfortunate lead-misspelling ("Boling led", a great song though) which I also mentioned in another thread (but my post was removed, not very nice - it was just a friendly remark, no mocking involved whatsoever). :(
Keep it up though (not the censoring, but the music :icon_biggrin:), I look forward to more great albums from you guys.
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I'm glad to see others feel the same way I do. While the first Falconer album is just a classic in my book (8/10), it drifts off to the end in my opinion. ABAT (9/10) is multi-layered and dynamic with fantastic melodies and interchanges. I thought Northwind was very good (7/10). CFAVF I would say is a 7/10 for me. SoD is a 6/10 and GVG is the weakest at 4/10 in my opinion.
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Glad you like it elbee, my girlfriend also really likes them.
Stefan,
Would you ever attempt to do Dreams and Pyres live?
edit: Not that it matters, I live in the US and would probably never get to see it =[
(Unless it was over the summer, I could go with my friend that lives in Gothenberg)
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Doing Dreams and pyres live would require more people on stage than the actual band. It´s the best song on the album easily but we knew from the beginning tht it wouldn't be played live. Myabe that´s why it became so good. No limitations.
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If you were playing a festival, and you knew some other vocalists that would be at said festival, you might be able to do that song live, if they were willing. ;) For example, if you guys were playing Wacken one year, and After Forever AND Kamelot were playing that same year... Floor + Khan + Mathias = VOCAL SEX
I know, wishful thinking! :biggrin:
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What is this? Import Album, 709 Kr. Found it on Cdon.com
http://cdon.se/musik/falconer/among_beggars_%26_thieves_%5bimport%5d-4129787
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Imported from heaven with that price...
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I've imagined a high-fantasy power-metal Avantasia-style concept album about a band of adventurers sung as follows:
- Mathias Blad - scholar/mage
- Tobias Sammett - dwarf/jester
- Annette Olzon - elf/healer
- ZP Theart - swordsman
- Joacim Cans - swordsman
- Tony Kakko - werewolf
- Hansi Kursch - bard
- Roy Khan - mystic
- Piet Sielck - barbarian
Come on, even if you disagree with a few of those, wouldn't it be awesome?
And feel free to add on... :p
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I've imagined a high-fantasy power-metal Avantasia-style concept album about a band of adventurers sung as follows:
- Mathias Blad - scholar/mage
- Tobias Sammett - dwarf/jester
- Annette Olzon - elf/healer
- ZP Theart - swordsman
- Joacim Cans - swordsman
- Tony Kakko - werewolf
- Hansi Kursch - bard
- Roy Khan - mystic
- Piet Sielck - barbarian
Come on, even if you disagree with a few of those, wouldn't it be awesome?
And feel free to add on... :p
Ronnie James Dio as a hobbit surely? (Just for size, if nothing else) :icon_twisted:
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Swap out Anette with Sharon den Adel from Within Temptation.
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What about Timo Kotipelto of Stratovarius? He could be a ranger, perhaps.
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This is my second favorite Falconer album, just below the self-titled.
The only track I sometimes skip over is the Beggar Hero. I'm not a huge Dreams and Pyres fan like most other people, but it's a good song that I feel gets lost in its own scope and grandeur, but I still like it. Love the Swedish tracks! Great diversity of fast and slower songs. This album seriously never gets boring. Very mature songwriting.
I am eagerly awaiting the next Falconer album!
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I know that this thread is for Stefan's review of Among Beggars and Thieves, but I just have to support the fan petition I read in a couple of pages back...
Please Stefan, consider asking Kristoffer Gobel and Rickard Martinsson to appear in the seventh Falconer album as guest vocalists... I mean, that is more realistic and feasible than inviting Roy Khan or Tobias Sammet...
But, just to say... for all I know Bruce Dickinson likes supporting other bands, like Tribuzy or the André Matos band, it could be a hell of a contribution having him in a Falconer album!! And well, now that we are being imaginative, a duet of Mathias Blad and the ex Jacobs Dream (another very, VERY underrated power metal band) vocal David Taylor, would kick some ASS!!!
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I like Chaz Bond better, personally.
And yes, Jacobs Dream is a VERY underrated power metal band!
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I like Chaz Bond better, personally.
And yes, Jacobs Dream is a VERY underrated power metal band!
Well, very nice to see that there are Jacobs Dream fans!!
Chaz Bond is a great vocalist and, as the way I see it, he changed the band's style to a more epic one (specially in the 2008 album Dominion of Darkness)... But the high-pitched, clean and tireless voice of David Taylor just made the two first Jacobs Dream albums flawless jewels... For me of course, was a real shame that he left the band...
But well, to stay in the topic, when I read in the Falconer official website that the sixth album would be more aggressive and faster, I imagined something of the Grime vs Grameur kind... But just to say, Dreams & Pyres is one of the best power metal songs out there...
So, I can't really imagine what would be the band's seventh album.
Just EPIC!!
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For me this was a bit of a led-down after the awesome Northwind. I have no problem with the faster and more heavier direction but I liked the Cheesiness of the last album more. Also I think Mathias sounded much better on Northwind. But of course this album also has it's moments like "Carnival of Disgust", "Dreams and Pryes", "Field of Sorrow" or "Mountain Man", but overall I think Northwind is better. Nevertheless this is a good album.
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PERFECT ALBUM! ALL from the spiritual in-depth feeling to perfectly guessed atmosphere...100%
I have listened it so many bloody times and yet I'm not fed of it. Just a proof of how INTELLIGENT and UNIQUE METAL is - only for the ones with cognition of a spirit - THAT is TRUE METAL.