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Zombies => Falconer => Thema gestartet von: Powermetaljesus am August 31, 2009, 07:28:03 Nachmittag
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Lol, Anyway. Stefan could you elaborate on the direction you think you are going to be taking? More operatic? (dreams and pyres), Heavier, more cheesy and power metal?
I know as an artist you probably won't wan't to disclose everything and make the fans wait but maybe an incling for those here on the board would be nice :)
Alex
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Wait, wait, let me guess. The band has become bored of the power-metal style and wants to go in a progressive/hard-rock direction. The double-bass will go out the window, and so much for solos; all guitars will be heavily downtuned and the bass guitar will suddenly become oppresive. Catchy choruses are for the simple minded, so none of those--in fact, nothing that's fun to sing along with at all. Add five key changes and cut the tempos in half. There will also be at least one bizarre psychadelic minimalist section per song.
Pardon me, but yes, I have become a little annoyed lately with the best names in power metal doing major surgery on a successful style, pretty much always for the worse. I get it, I get the whole "not wanting to repeat the same album over and over," but the cumulative impact of it is starting to grate on me.
Prove me wrong, Stefan. :p
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Have some faith. :P Stefan knows what works for Falconer. That's why he got Mathias back on vocals.
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Yeah, have some faith, fellow Falconites.
Stefan knows that change can also amount up to something not as pleasant, like for example the album "Grime VS Grandeur".
That was a really different sounding Falconer album! Although it was important for the band at that time, to try and play something a bit different, the outcome was not completely satisfying. Not for the Falconites and fans, and if I'm not mistaken, neither for the band.
So, I'm pretty sure Stefan wouldn't talk about a "new" direction, if he wasn't really confident that it's going to benefit the overall Falconer sound and style.
I'm really looking forward to every bit of news regarding the new material! :)
Awesome to see that our most favorite bird is getting ready to take off again!
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Interesting! I kinda hope they will stay true to their basic style while delving deeper into the more operatic, complex arrangements like "Dreams and Pyres", perhaps also some storytelling like on Sceptre, which to this day I feel gives that album a depth that the others don't have. Perhaps bring Kristoffer back for some dialogues?
I certainly don't think they're going for a second GvG, so I'm intrigued to see where the direction is going. Judging by the excellent overall quality of the last two albums, I'm fairly confident the new material is going to be nothing short of amazing.
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Well... As a true Falconite I am, I'm just gonna sit down and trust in Stefan's incoming ideas... Maybe, as Horus said, he will actually hear our petition of bringing Kristoffer (and maybe Rickard) back to make a Power/Folk/Symphonic Metal opera... Or, the band is going to take the direction of the awesome "Dark Ages" song, more 80's rock&roll kind of stuff...
Or, (and I just loooove this idea) Falconer is going to try new things, perhaps some gutural voices of Death metal, adding a female vocalist and a more dark atmosphere to the songs (it will absolutely rule with Mattias unique voice)...
Anyhow, I just wonder ofthe endless posibilities that a band that Falconer has with all those amazing musicians...
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So I guess I have to rethink the plans of making "Grime vs grandeur pt II"
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ROTFLMAO! OR PERHAPS NOT!
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So I guess I have to rethink the plans of making "Grime vs grandeur pt II"
:lachen: Stefan, you're killing me here! :lachen: :lachen: :lachen: :lachen:
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Or just call it "Less Grime Vs More Grandeur" :D
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So I guess I have to rethink the plans of making "Grime vs grandeur pt II"
Every respect to you STEFAN and the FALCONER, with LOST HORIZON one of my very very best band, generally ever :bangersmiley: :56: ;D. One question which you don't have to reply on ... Have you ever considered some compromise with Mathias so to choose his career path or rather life path in music or his drama culture.Why I'm asking this, probably because this question is the main question of every TRUE FALCONER fan out there who is waiting to hear YOU guys on WORLD TOUR, WACKEN, etc. One gig in two years :frown: :frown:... c'mon
You guys are probably one of the most original and most brilliant bands in the history of metal music(SPIRITUALLY MOST STRONGER MUSIC on THE PLANET) without ANY DOUBT in the meaning of lyrics depth, intelligence and musical spirit(EVERY ALBUM I HEARD FROM FALCONER REQUIRES IN DEPTH LISTENING SO TO REVEAL REAL POWER AND STRENGTH OF IT TO LISTENER) . METAL FROM SWEDEN WAS ALWAYS IN-DEPTH , IN-SPIRITUAL with such a TALENTED & inspired people around their musical masterpieces, super-original lyrics authors, UNNORMALLY TALENTED VOCALS (Heiman, Blad, etc.). So FALCONER DON'T GIVE BLOODY UP. YOUR LAST ALbum is a total masterpiece in such a way that the only thing that is holding you guys(and you know that better than any one else!!) from reaching mega popular
status is (A)LIVE TOURING..NOTHING MORE - NOTHING LESS..PEOPLE NEED TO SEE & HEAR YOUR POWERFUL AND INTELLIGENT MUSIC in LIVE AROUND THE WORLD AND so at THAT MOMENT YOUR STARS WILL BE REACHED. BEST LUCK FROM DIE HARD FAN!! ;)
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*big wall of text*
Well, As much as I love Falconer...
1) Making Mathias choose would be a bit unfair, because he obviously loves both
and 2) Because Power Metal isn't that popular in the first place, Falconer doesn't tour that often, and Digital Downloading is prevelent, Mathias would probably not be making a whole lot of money if he chose to abandon theatre and live of his Falconer pay.
If I misunderstood what you said, I appologize.
I too am interested in seeing what Falconer does in the future. I hope they don't pull a Unia on us. Damn you, Sonata Arctica! :(
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I hope they don't pull a Unia on us. Damn you, Sonata Arctica! :(
Oh, they did, they pulled a Grime VS Grandeur on us ;)
But I enjoy both, Unia AND GvG, although not nearly as much as the former (and later) albums of both bands ;)
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To Waxlrose!
We did something like that in 2002 because we wanted more live gigs, thus the departure of Mathias.
Earning a living is priority 1, doing a hobby without any earning is priority 2.
The same goes for the rest of us as well.
Of course we know that many fans like to see us, itīs a shame for them that they might not get the opportunity.
The terms of live playing and touring has to be reasonable for everyone.
Keep in mind that we are not 16 years old and are willing to do just anything to go on tour, not knowing the outcome of it.
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Thank you for your fast reply(can't believe you <<STEFAN FROM FALCONER :icon_eek: :tup:>> actually replied me). Wishing you every luck and persistence in your hard work and music identity...JUST DON'T GIVE UP FALCONER-STAY YOURSELVES!!!
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I hope they don't pull a Unia on us. Damn you, Sonata Arctica! :(
Incidentally, that's sort of who I was referring to in my previous post. Them and Edguy and Freedom Call. Sigh. All still good, but not as good as before.
Changing a singer is always, always a risky preposition. It can be the best thing ever, or it can completely crap out on you. For Kamelot, Iron Maiden (the first time), and Helloween (the first time), it made their careers. For Iced Earth, Maiden (the second time), and Judas Priest, it was a mistake (poor "Filler" Owens).
Sadly, Mathias is completely integral to the best Falconer sound. So live shows will be forever limited. But on the flip side, the albums are fantastic.
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Wait, wait, let me guess. The band has become bored of the power-metal style and wants to go in a progressive/hard-rock direction. The double-bass will go out the window, and so much for solos; all guitars will be heavily downtuned and the bass guitar will suddenly become oppresive. Catchy choruses are for the simple minded, so none of those--in fact, nothing that's fun to sing along with at all. Add five key changes and cut the tempos in half. There will also be at least one bizarre psychadelic minimalist section per song.
Pardon me, but yes, I have become a little annoyed lately with the best names in power metal doing major surgery on a successful style, pretty much always for the worse. I get it, I get the whole "not wanting to repeat the same album over and over," but the cumulative impact of it is starting to grate on me.
Prove me wrong, Stefan. :p
I totally agree with the statement above. Please, don't pull a Unia on us.
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Suddenly, the story of Chicken Little comes to mind... :pillepalle:
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Suddenly, the story of Chicken Little comes to mind... :pillepalle:
Haven't seen that movie yet.
Could you explain? :)
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The story of Chicken Little predates the cute animated movie. If you know the story, you don't need an explanation. But long story short, a few people on this thread are doing the equivalent of saying "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
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a few people on this thread are doing the equivalent of saying "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
Reminds me of when Kriss cut his hair and people freeeeeeeaked out. :icon_rolleyes:
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The story of Chicken Little predates the cute animated movie. If you know the story, you don't need an explanation. But long story short, a few people on this thread are doing the equivalent of saying "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
We're just telling our opinion. And that opinion is that Falconer shouldn't do what Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius did a few years back.
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Well, Stefan was never the kind of guy who would subdue his creations entirely to the cravings of others. I mean, of course, he is aware of the fanbase, he knows what the Falconites want and he sure as hell wants that himself, but first and foremost, before everything else, he wants to create music that is satisfying and interesting to play for himself and his band. And if that means to break some of the rules of the hardcore fanbase, then he surely will do it because creating music just for the sake of pleasing others instead of the musician himself would be betraying oneself. Such behaviour would soon lead to negative feelings towards the music one creates. You wouldn't be able to love your songs as much as if you had put your own heart and soul into it.
Not that I know him personally or anything, but this is the way I understand it.
@Stefan
Sorry if I wrote something wrong or stupid.
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The story of Chicken Little predates the cute animated movie. If you know the story, you don't need an explanation. But long story short, a few people on this thread are doing the equivalent of saying "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
We're just telling our opinion. And that opinion is that Falconer shouldn't do what Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius did a few years back.
What you're doing is freaking out about something that hasn't even happened yet.
If Stefan were going to change Falconer's sound suddenly, Falconer would have continued to go in the direction of Grime vs Grandeur. They brought Mathias back because Stefan did not want to go in that direction, and to sing in the style that matched the Falconer sound Stefan wanted, he felt it necessary to have Mathias. Which means the Falconer sound we all know and love.
If he does any changing, it will only be for the better (though I'm too short-sighted to see how Falconer can sound any better than they already do)
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Well, Stefan was never the kind of guy who would subdue his creations entirely to the cravings of others. I mean, of course, he is aware of the fanbase, he knows what the Falconites want and he sure as hell wants that himself, but first and foremost, before everything else, he wants to create music that is satisfying and interesting to play for himself and his band. And if that means to break some of the rules of the hardcore fanbase, then he surely will do it because creating music just for the sake of pleasing others instead of the musician himself would be betraying oneself. Such behaviour would soon lead to negative feelings towards the music one creates. You wouldn't be able to love your songs as much as if you had put your own heart and soul into it.
Not that I know him personally or anything, but this is the way I understand it.
Wise words from the Prab, it seems like some think our sound will change completely. Something Iīve never said but trying to sound like the debut album 8 years afterwards ain't appealing either.
@Stefan
Sorry if I wrote something wrong or stupid.
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Change is something that is only appreciated when it's used as a slogan for a presidential election :P No, just kidding, let's leave politics out of here!
I have to admit, I sometimes feel like Angel too because I'm not really sure how Falconer could really top their existing sound. But on the other hand, I sometimes fantasize about what else could possibly be done by a skilled songwriter like Stefan (and the band) and a acomplished singer like Mathias.
"Home of the Knave", you guys know the party between the verses, where Mathias does this oriental sounding "lalala" singing pattern. It's awesome! It's distinctive! So what if Falconer would put other ethnical musical influences into their music? A dangerous experiment indeed, for it could totally change the sound. But a really balanced mix of new influences and old strenghts could maybe even reforge the mighty sound of their power belts and magic rings ;)
So that's the idea with "ethnical musical influences from other cultures" (didn't the old vikings travel all around the world by the way?! ;) ).
Another idea I have is this whole "Dreams and Pyres" thing. I mean, that song is huge! Why not try something even bigger with more vocalists? Okay, it's really a lot of preproduction work and everybody needs to be available at the right time and so on. But what a interesting project that would be! It needn't be for a whole album, just a song. Or wait a minute... why not a whole album, just like "Scepter of Deception". Different characters/roles sung by different vocalists. Many members here have said it before, I've mentioned it too - it would be such an awesome thing, something so extremely special, if a project like that would include all the vocalists Stefan has worked with in the past. Mathias, Krisstofer, Rickard... yeah, their singing styles are very different, but still, it could perhaps work out. Wow, some "descend into madness" concept comes to my mind right now, with Mathias being the voice of the troubled but still normal character, Kriss being the same person only engulfed in a sea of madness and despair and Rickard finally being the one who unleashes all insanity :D Yeah, I'm just babbling.
Okay this is just me playing with some ideas.
Anyways, one thing's for sure: each and every single member of this board is really anticipating new material from Falconer and everybody will most definitely check it out. I totally trust in Stefans songwriting skills. This is gonna rock!
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I think Stefan knows what he is doing, so I am not worried. As long as Mathias sings I will like it, I am sure of.
And guys, stop beating up "GvsG". That actually is a great album if you don't think of it as a Falconer album and it is still lightyears ahead of "Sceptre...". some of my all-time Falconer favouites are on that album, as "Child of the wild" i.e.
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I second the "stop bashing GvG" - and also "Screptre..." must not be bashed. ;)
About the over-production-idea: Be careful! BLIND GUARDIAN totally whimped out by this way. One of the greates Power/Epic Metal bands of the last decades and they just wasted it - for my mind and even many die-hard-fans - by trying the borders of Pro Tools and sound engineers (how much tracks can you handle, eh?).
Also the idea is not new. It has been here years ago: AVANTASIA.
Still, it could still be a great experience, for sure, if such a project was undertaken on the basis of FALCONER's unique style. I just wanted to point out that it's not that much over-the-top as some might think. ;)
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I agree, Odin. Sceptre sounds more like a Falconer album than GvG, because they transitioned from Mathias to Kris by still utilizing Mathias' vocals, and a very typical Falconer sound. GvG took a more traditional metal turn, but Stefan's sound is hard to mistake, even on that album. Sure, maybe they're not typical Falconer albums, but they can stand on their own, IMO.
And I also agree about Blind Guardian. I hardly ever listen to A Night at the Opera because it just sounds like noise to me. The vocals all kind of mash together. I really like A Twist in the Myth, though. I thought that one turned out nice.
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About the over-production-idea: Be careful! BLIND GUARDIAN totally whimped out by this way. One of the greates Power/Epic Metal bands of the last decades and they just wasted it - for my mind and even many die-hard-fans - by trying the borders of Pro Tools and sound engineers (how much tracks can you handle, eh?).
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A Night at the Opera is the single greatest album known to man.
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Then I hope you mean the album by QUEEN, Jophelerx!!!
That might be somewhere close to the truth
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Matthias singing Queen would be awesome =D
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"Nightfall in Middle-Earth" is the absolute peak of Blind Guardian's work and one of the milestones of power metal in general, IMHO. With the exception of "Precious Jerusalem", "A Night at the Opera" doesn't do much for me. "A Twist in the Myth" is a lot better, very rocking, fast and entertaining all the way through, but a bit over-produced. I wonder what they will do next (in 10 years or so, when the next one comes out lol). Back to topic. I also wonder what Falconer will do next (phew, that was close) ;)
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I don't want to sound like and asshole here though most probably that will happen. I read all the self-reviews and marks given and it was kind of funny. I have to note that Falconer was my first ever metal band, back in the distant now year of 2001.
The debut album was amazing, many places I later reazlied given it a 10/10 score or whatever score doesn't matter really. This album is what Falconer at their best is, at least for me. True it might have its flaws but I don't see them - from the beginning to the end there is not 1 weak track, not 1 filler track everything is just perfect - great chemistry at work. You know like a football team - you can have an all-winning team that's made of players/elements that are just perfect when combined. Not everyone has to be a huge star - that's the same with the debut album.
Then the second one lost some of that magic somehow but it was still captivating. Then the true dark ages of Falconer began with the new members and vocalist resulting in these 2 abominations of albums. I'm sorry but I do love the band and I feel I can say it. Horrendous albums indeed, nothing of the previous greatness.
Then as Stefan himself noted Northwind - back on the right track. How very true that is. Some of the magic is back and reborn but still not quite there. And finally ABAT which is a small improvement from Northwind but still good to listen to.
I don't know what directions you will choose, I don't know how the fanbase changed through the years of the debut until now but what I DO know is what made Falconer so great and special for me and I kept them in my heart until this very day. These golden ingredients are:
Unique vocalist, catchy melodies and vocal lines of the sorts that somehow compell you to join in and sing, powerful riffs and guitars as a whole and most importantly - songs in svenska, I can't describe how beautiful this language sounds when sung by Mathias. And you just have to keep covering, so to say, traditional swedish songs it's something that you do best.
And you can deny it but we all know that Falconer was the album that defined that band and is something which is still unreachable. But as we already said - things are slowly getting back on track :zunge:
Thanks for reading my revelations ;D
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Matthias singing Queen would be awesome =D
I wonder if he could hit some of the falsetto notes that Freddy Mercury hit. I believe Mercury was a tenor, and I think Mathias is a Baritone. It'd be pretty cool to find out! :) I know Mathias has hit some very high notes...like at the end of the Carnival of Disgust video.
Hmmm...Falconer covering Queen. Yes please.
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Am I the only one who can't imagine Mathias covering The Queen, huh?.. :-\
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I think my hyperbole may have been interpreted a bit literally. :p
I do get very grumpy when bands make massive shifts in sound--at least, away from what I like. But lately I've been giggling at all the old Amoral fans freaking out about their new clean singer, and their new album is the first thing they're done I can enjoy! So it works both ways. :p