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Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Odin am März 23, 2005, 10:33:54 Vormittag
Heyho,

Prab already pointed his finger to the cover artwork and the tracklisting including lyrics, so I can skip that now.... BUT - just yesterday the promo arrived here, all hail to Metal Blade!  :lol:

I am hesitating about how much to disclose... hrhrhr... perhaps only bit by bit for now: It once again took me a little longer to get the feeling for this album, but after four or five rounds I can say it is definitely closer to the debut than the other two albums. The songs are heavier, have a lot of groove and there are some REALLY sweat choruses (for example the opener 'Emotional Skies' - you could figure that out by the title, I think ;) ).

Maybe I'll give insights to more songs in the days to come, hehe. ;)

Anyhow - look forward to May 2nd 2005 when FALCONER are going to conquer the metal world once more!  :D
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am März 23, 2005, 11:33:25 Vormittag
:evil:  AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! :evil:


 :shock: HE HAS GOT A PROMO CD!  :shock:


You lucky b... b... board admin :D



*sighs*
*waits till May 2nd*
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Odin am März 23, 2005, 03:51:00 Nachmittag
Haha, well, it's more due to my position as chief editor of B4M than as board admin, but anyway, yep, I have got one, nice you remind me. <putsonfalconeragain> Na, just kidding, at work currently, can't play music here.  :? ;)
Titel: Re: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am März 23, 2005, 07:29:16 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Odin"
but after four or five rounds I can say it is definitely closer to the debut than the other two albums. The songs are heavier, have a lot of groove and there are some REALLY sweat choruses  


That is encouraging.  I like all their albums but their first is still my favorite.  Thanks for the update Odin.
Titel: Re: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Metal Missionary am März 23, 2005, 07:31:20 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Anonymous"
Zitat von: "Odin"
but after four or five rounds I can say it is definitely closer to the debut than the other two albums. The songs are heavier, have a lot of groove and there are some REALLY sweat choruses  


That is encouraging.  I like all their albums but their first is still my favorite.  Thanks for the update Odin.


That was from me.  Sorry, thought I was already logged in. :roll:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am März 24, 2005, 04:15:47 Vormittag
*makes plans to jump Odin and steal his promo CD*
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am März 24, 2005, 08:15:00 Vormittag
*considers joining AngelofMusic*
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Odin am März 24, 2005, 09:09:25 Vormittag
Oh, I should have kept my mouth shut, I guess... dangerous to go out of the house now... ;)

'Emotional Skies' with the sweetness of its chorus makes up a potential and worthy follow up to 'The Clarion Call', I think. 8)

The only thing that already or still makes me ache is the fact that I am missing two tracks on the promo; both bonus tracks (digi and Japan - I am especially longing for  'Rock'n'Roll Devil', because the title sounds like something really entertaining in the vein of 'Busted To The Floor', I think).  :evil:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am März 24, 2005, 11:40:35 Vormittag
Then you are right. Take Busted....and add yet another dose of Purple and Rainbow.
Wake up (digi) is a more midtemposong allthough more rockish than the average falconer song. It also have Andy LaRocque on additional leadvocals.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Odin am März 24, 2005, 03:14:19 Nachmittag
Thanks for verifying my speculations, Stefan. :)

Andy already enriched 'Busted...' with his leads, I think, just very cool groove. So I am no less looking forward to the 'real' release than anybody else, because I need every bonus track I can get, haha! ;)

Stefan, I'll try to figure out a possibility for a phoner interview soon, I'll contact you after Easter, alright?

Keep rockin'
 - Nat
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Avricha am März 24, 2005, 05:34:14 Nachmittag
I eny you Nat, I think I have to pay you a visit  :lol:

But good to hear that your impressionh is so positive, now I am really curious. Too long until May.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am März 25, 2005, 03:56:01 Nachmittag
Really looking forward to getting my hands on it as well. Nice tempting words......
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am März 26, 2005, 07:49:46 Vormittag
What is new in this album.....???
To wich style it can be included???
When this disc will arrive to CIS???


Goood...!!!
I'm waiting for really speed...power....folk...
Is he stronger???
Excuse me for my language *)))
Titel: Grime vs. Grandeur
Beitrag von: Anonymous am April 18, 2005, 11:33:21 Vormittag
I think Falconer is the most important young heavy metal band. But their each album is unsuccessful than preceding album. If I want to listen power metal why I choice the Falconer? Sorry but last album isn't attractive except for lyrics and cover's theme. (Can Stefan give some information about these topics?) I think Stefan don't aware what they accomplish with first two albums. I understand why music is changing but this is a sad thing for heavy metal.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Odin am April 18, 2005, 11:40:21 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Avricha"
I eny you Nat, I think I have to pay you a visit  :lol:

But good to hear that your impressionh is so positive, now I am really curious. Too long until May.


Well, just drop me a mail to discuss time and place and I think we can arrange a visit and a listen to the album, haha. Just drove past Bremen twice this weekend and remembered you are living somewhere there. It's not that far, so give it a thought maybe. :)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Nescafé am April 18, 2005, 08:10:28 Nachmittag
Who is the female vocal on "Emotional Skies"??? :hm:  :lol:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am April 18, 2005, 09:11:09 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Nescafé"
Who is the female vocal on "Emotional Skies"??? :hm:  :lol:


Check out this thread
http://boards.bleeding4metal.de/viewtopic.php?t=568&start=15
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Sinner am April 22, 2005, 04:48:33 Nachmittag
Hi all,

you might wanna check this review I 've just found :

http://www.metal-temple.com/review.asp?id=863

A cool one.
Titel: Pete
Beitrag von: Anonymous am April 27, 2005, 09:51:04 Vormittag
i f**ing love the new album. it´s more aggressiv...it´s my cup of te. the best song..child of the wild..ehh the hole album is i fantastic. :D
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: K. Beckman am April 27, 2005, 02:07:21 Nachmittag
Damn Funksters! I like everything about this record. Killer layout and "The Return" is for sure the killer track on this one. The whole produktion is much better than all your previous records.  :banger2:
But is it only Andys vocals on the "Wake Up" track? I think I can hear Kriss somewere as well. Am I right?
And who is the Fisherman? And what is his contribution on the record?
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am April 27, 2005, 04:43:56 Nachmittag
Aaaha ha ha ha!! Fisherman Pete will remain a mystery. He did some back up singing.
If you listen closely you can hear him towards the end of the first track, the voice who sounds as a fisherman with pipe and beard abnd everything.

As for "Wake up" Andy just sings the verses. The rest is Kristoffer.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: December am April 30, 2005, 05:56:58 Nachmittag
I just hbeard "Purgatory time" from the upcoming album. I really like the song, but there is something about the chorus, the "It´s ourgatory time! part.  "Isn´t there a sun among the clouds?"  OM MY GOD, WHAT A FUCKING RIPOFF!!!  

 :wink:

 Is there anyone else who has thought of this likeness, or am I just extremley picky. Well, great song anyway. I am really looking forward to this album.


 :twisted:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am April 30, 2005, 06:15:55 Nachmittag
Quite picky guy here I think. I haven´t noticed that short thing myelf but IF you want to hear a real rip off then listen to "Sir Robin" by Mony python and come back with your opinion.  :wink:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Souleraser am April 30, 2005, 06:25:56 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "December"

"Isn´t there a sun among the clouds?"
[...]
 Is there anyone else who has thought of this likeness, or am I just extremley picky. Well, great song anyway. I am really looking forward to this album.


If Google isn't wrong (and it's hardly ;) ) exactly the same line appears in "Substitutional world".
But a band stealing from itself is... well, not that terrible after all, especially as it's a pretty cool line.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: dorian jane am April 30, 2005, 11:45:59 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "AoP"

But a band stealing from itself is... well, not that terrible after all, especially as it's a pretty cool line.


Yeap, i agree with this. Many bands repeat a phrase here and there, i heard nobody complaining about it.. as a matter of fact, fans are hooked on those phrases (some are really inspirational)..  phrases that ARE the band in a nutshell.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Mai 01, 2005, 01:37:32 Nachmittag
It is, BTW, not called stealing, but "self-citation".
:D

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am Mai 01, 2005, 08:57:43 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "AoP"
Zitat von: "December"


If Google isn't wrong (and it's hardly ;) ) exactly the same line appears in "Substitutional world".
But a band stealing from itself is... well, not that terrible after all, especially as it's a pretty cool line.


that´s right. I was refering to substitutional world, and not that the lyric is the same (because it´s not). It´s the melody thats the same, just that one small part. If you take listen to sustitutional world, listen extra carefully to "Isn´t there a sun among the clouds", then listen to purgatory time.

With happy greetings (as we say in sweden)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Mai 01, 2005, 09:06:07 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
It is, BTW, not called stealing, but "self-citation".
:D


I thoght of "self-referencing" ;)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Mai 01, 2005, 09:30:15 Nachmittag
That would be a non-literal paraphrase, while this was exactly the same line, letter for letter.
;)

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Metal Missionary am Mai 16, 2005, 06:28:33 Nachmittag
Just received G v. G this weekend.  It took me forever to find the Digi release on the internet at my usual shops.  Anyways, I've already listened to it five or six times through already and it's the best album I've bought in some time.  Quality songs.  I lke the themes of the songs and vocal performances especially.  The production is top notch and the Falconer sound is prevalent throughout the album.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am Mai 16, 2005, 07:11:52 Nachmittag
Who on earth is Fisherman Pete?
Has anyone seen him or heard of him before?
And the most valid question is: Does he have one or two legs??

There are to many riddles in the dark here!
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am Mai 17, 2005, 07:50:36 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Anonymous"
Who on earth is Fisherman Pete?
Has anyone seen him or heard of him before?
And the most valid question is: Does he have one or two legs??

There are to many riddles in the dark here!




Zitat von: "Stefan W"
Aaaha ha ha ha!! Fisherman Pete will remain a mystery. He did some back up singing.
If you listen closely you can hear him towards the end of the first track, the voice who sounds as a fisherman with pipe and beard abnd everything.


Click here for the whole thread (http://boards.bleeding4metal.de/viewtopic.php?p=9619&highlight=fisherman+pete#9619)

 :)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am Mai 17, 2005, 08:40:03 Nachmittag
is it just me,or does Kristoffer sound alot like Harry "tyrant" conklin from Jag panzer on this album,not that thats a bad thing,its just when i listened to G vs G a few time,i thought i was listening to Panzer,maybe its me,I actually like kristoffers vocals better than mattais,im probably in the minority,but thats how i feel! thanks for listening...Troy P
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Mai 17, 2005, 09:04:19 Nachmittag
Must be just you. I'm not a Jag Panzer expert, but the CDs I have of them feature a voice that Kris definitely doesn't resemble.

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Shaman am Juli 01, 2005, 05:07:15 Nachmittag
I cried =(


I nearly cried till my eyes were bleeding.


It was just by chance that I found the cd in the store and was so happy te hear new falconer stuff, but when i put the cd into the player, i was so disappointed.
It's not that I don't like Goebels voice, on Sceptre of Deception i realy liked it because i don't think that Blad could have sang the songs of sceptre of deception better than Goebel, but what was realy pissing me off were the lyrics itself and the harmonies.
What's this?
Poprock?
I instantly regret the purchase of the cd, heard every song one time and through the cd out of my sight.

Hope next Album will be back on REAL Falconer Musik =/


greets
a sad shaman
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am Juli 01, 2005, 07:19:13 Nachmittag
Hey, I wasn't impressed on my first listen either.  But give it a second chance!  I can't stop listening to the album now. :)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 02, 2005, 02:00:59 Vormittag
Here's a draft of a review I wrote for a local publication:

Falconer rocks your socks.

Whenever a band goes through a vocalist change, there seem to be clashing opinions about the one who enters and takes the duty of singing. Reactions often are divided mainly in two camps, one of them disregarding the replacement almost completely, while the other will be content with praising the newcomer to no end. In Falconer's case, the departure of vocalist Mathias Blad after the second album has left many with an unquenchable thirst for whine, complaining endlessly about how new vocalist Kristoffer Göbel is too generic and doesn't bring the same vibe as the former singer. On the other hand, there are those who try to elevate Göbel status to that of a vocalist who can do no wrong. The problem with such differing opinions is that perceptions get clouded by preconcieved ideas, and a real objective judgement of the music fails to materialize. One should always strive to judge music on its own terms, understanding what its intention is and what is the artist trying to achieve.

It would seem that this time Falconer got interested in pure, unadulterated heavy metal; you know, the classic ones like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, as this album definitely has a traditional, full metal vibe to it. It's like if the band would have said "let's have fun!". This doesn't mean that their original sound has completely disappeared, but it serves more as a backdrop to the more metallic approach. Admittedly, the album starts slow, the first thing that might come to mind is that Falconer wimped out, with an opening track that has 'radio-friendly' written over it, and then the third song, while featuring decent music, has horrible lyrics that can lead to think the band was ripping off Linkin Park when it comes to that department. A certain feeling of disappointment was starting to make itself present, but thankfully "Humanity Overdose" changed that quickly. At that moment the album shows its real strength and doesn't let go. From there on, every single song simply rocks, some in a straight ahead manner, while others take much more interesting paths.

Whereas the previous albums relied on an epic and majestic atmosphere to conduct their business, Grime vs. Grandeur takes a completely different approach; the songs are, for the most part, straight ahead, rocking heavy / power metal with a touch of grittiness, and then there are other compositions that hint at the old style, while bringing an interesting and imaginative trait to them. The co-production team of Andy La Rocque, along with Weinerhall and Göbel created a powerful sound that, even though it can sound a bit polished at times, doesn't fail to have an organic feel to it. There is an underlying sense of upbeat energy that permeates the album, fortunately this is not one of the overtly happy kind of upbeatness. Weinerhall has a knack for creating very memorable melodies, and these are finely crafted to fit their purpose, which means they are energic and catchy, yet not the 'happy happy joy joy' kind (Well, except for that über cheesy chorus on "Emotional Skies"). Jimmy Hedlund's fast, metal heroics actually add to the music, instead of just being boring shred fests that many guitarists play. The rhythm section gets a boost with the addition of Magnus Linhardt, who has some good ideas in the form of melody lines that augument the music's intention perfectly, and the drums, although sounding as if they were somewhat triggered at times, are quite musical as always. Kristoffer Göbel is the real surprise here, with a magnificent performance that should keep quiet all detractors, showing great range and versatility, sometimes perhaps trying a bit too much, as some notes make him sound as if he's really straining it, but such ocurrences are few and between, he gets it pretty good for the most part; he actually reminded of some of the greatest vocalists, such as Dickinson, Halford, Diamond, and he even sings some parts in that baritone style that Mathias Blad was known for. There is a feeling of passion on his voice, and one can understand why he is Falconer's singer; many people were happy with Blad, myself included, but he was always missing something that Göbel has, and that is a metal heart. Kristoffer is a metal vocalist.

The best track is probably the aforementioned "Humanity Overdose", a monster song that shows the strength of this new Falconer sound. The songwriting is non-linear, imaginative and interesting, creating different moods within a single atmosphere, all of it while flowing very smoothly. That is the sign of a well written song, fellows. The main riff is unmistakenly Weinerhall, the vocals are very versatile and show the plethoric abilities of Göbel, and even though the song is one of many to feature big choruses, these work because instead of having millions of layers of a single voice, the whole band sings, making the result dynamic, crafting a sound that could be featured on a rock opera such as Jesuschrist Superstar.  Another standout track is "Child of the Wild" which also brings the same level of composition, but also adds some nods to the old epic Falconer sound, taking the listener through different realms of creativity, creating moods that suit the lyrics perfectly. It's clear that Stefan Weinerhall's sense of composition has matured and grown stronger, while retaining part of the trademark Falconer sound.

Although I find myself enjoying this album very much, I can't say it's the best thing the band is capable of. I still miss the majestic, epic sound that Falconer was known for. The lyrics used to be much more better too, relying on a certain poetic style that seems to be lost for the most part on this album. Perhaps this is done on purpose, given that many of the subjects don't warrant such stylings. Still, Grime vs. Grandeur is a good record that shows a different face of Falconer; the rocking one. The songs that follow this rule are good enough to stand on its own, but if the band choses to continue walking the path shown on "Humanity Overdose" and refusing to go again into the realms of the "I Refuse"'s of the world, they will surely reach levels of greatness that are merely being hinted at now.

Choice Tracks: Humanity Overdose, No Tears for Strangers, Child of the Wild.

Worst Tracks: I Refuse.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am Juli 02, 2005, 10:58:49 Vormittag
The longest review yet which might hint that you have actually took your time listening to it.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 02, 2005, 07:14:53 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Stefan W"
The longest review yet which might hint that you have actually took your time listening to it.


That's correct, yet I still feel I haven't absorbed all of what the album has going on, but I like to think I got the basic essence by now. The above review is a draft, though, so there might be some little additions or corrections in the end.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: kailef am Juli 02, 2005, 08:12:46 Nachmittag
That's a very detailed review that echoes my feelings for the album as well.

I do miss the older "majestic" and epic feel of some of the older Falconer, but that doesn't mean that Grime vs. Grandeur isn't good in it's own right.  What really impresses me about Krisstoffer, for example, is his ability to do what Mathias was either unable or unwilling to do:  to put a harsh edge on his voice and sing metal.  But at the same time, Krisstoffer's performance in Child of the Wild and during the bridge at 3:35 into No Tears for Strangers shows that he can also sing beautifully and cleanly when he wants to as well.

...Although, when I was chatting with Krisstoffer, he admitted to me that he really prefers to sing with a metal edge and push himself - He felt that he wasn't singing to his full potential when he wasn't.  I appreciate his point of view, but I think that his ability to do both is a major advantage over most other bands in this genre.  If I was making the decisions, I would work the next album to have a mix between the two styles.

But, that's just my opinion.   :roll:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Quorthon am Juli 04, 2005, 02:45:12 Nachmittag
I got the album a couple of weeks ago and I am still trying to get into it. My first feeling I must admit though was one of disappointment. The problem is that I am hoping that all new albums will be as good as the debut, and that just ain't the case!

Favourite track was Jack The Knife. I do need to give it lots more listens though!
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: guest am Juli 08, 2005, 12:51:56 Vormittag
Mathias  was awesome.  The first album still gives me chills and makes my hairs stand up. I will keep it forever.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 08, 2005, 01:07:23 Vormittag
Zitat von: "guest"
Mathias  was awesome.  The first album [...]. I will keep it forever.


I agree with the above quote. Yet I fail to realize how this relates to a thread about Grime vs. Grandeur.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Thomas Mehuron am Juli 09, 2005, 03:33:32 Vormittag
Gross  :evil:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 09, 2005, 04:42:52 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Thomas Mehuron"
Gross  :evil:


Obvious troll. Disregard entirely.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Thomas Mehuron am Juli 11, 2005, 07:49:00 Nachmittag
I apologize for my previous statement "gross" but im just very frustrated about this new album. the singing is scrathcy and the lyrics are EMO. hearing this come from such a great band really threw me off. When i first heard the songs "purgatory time" and "Jack the Knife" i couldnt even tell that it was falconer because it was so much different. What ever happened to songs like "the clarion call" or "Substitutional world"? I really hope you guys can make a new album that brings you back from the world of EMO metal
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am Juli 11, 2005, 08:11:34 Nachmittag
What is EMO?????
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am Juli 11, 2005, 10:02:47 Nachmittag
I don't know why people use the word "emo" to discredit a band.

I'm aware of the fact that this musical style called "Emo Core" is very very popular and commercially successful at the moment.
Still..... Falconer is far away from that kind of music. That's totally different!
And if Falconer lyrics turn out to be emotional... so what?!
Each and every song ever written DOES evoke somekind of emotion in the listener.
Emotional lyrics or melodies aren't a reason to declare a bands failure!
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Souleraser am Juli 11, 2005, 10:50:29 Nachmittag
"Emo" is short for emotional and is ment in a weepy, whiny way.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am Juli 12, 2005, 12:17:16 Vormittag
Falconer?  Emo?   Excuse me for a minute...







BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ....GAHAHAHAHAHA EMO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA OMG!!! AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Oh my...oh...*Giggle* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  *falls over laughing*




Ahem.  I feel better now.

Falconer has never been Emo, and I doubt they ever will be.  Both Stefan and Kristoffer seem to be pretty well-rounded, with their feet firmly on the ground both as artists and as people.  Emo this band is certainly not.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 12, 2005, 06:42:10 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Thomas Mehuron"
I apologize for my previous statement "gross" but im just very frustrated about this new album. the singing is scrathcy and the lyrics are EMO.


Metal singing is rough, scratchy, raw (just like metal itself). It can be high and clean, or growled and shrieked too.
As for the lyrics, the only one that could be remotely similar to "emo" is "I Refuse".

Zitat von: "Thomas Mehuron"
hearing this come from such a great band really threw me off. When i first heard the songs "purgatory time" and "Jack the Knife" i couldnt even tell that it was falconer because it was so much different.


Both songs are very power / traditional metal-like, I fail to see where the supposed emo connection is.

Zitat von: "Thomas Mehuron"
What ever happened to songs like "the clarion call" or "Substitutional world"? I really hope you guys can make a new album that brings you back from the world of EMO metal


Those songs are on their respective albums. And the band is nowehere near being 'emo', which leads me to believe you just learned about the term and try to use it without checking if it fits the bill first.

It's frustrating to see how the majority of people are unable to judge music on its own terms, but based on what they 'expect' it to sound like.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Radagast am Juli 12, 2005, 03:13:26 Nachmittag
Emo sucks, its an appaling genre of music.

Falconer, fortunately, have no similarities to it whatever.

If you think Kriss sounds like an emo singer you need your ears cleaned.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am Juli 12, 2005, 07:43:15 Nachmittag
*blinks*  I've never heard of EMO.  *ducks*  I suppose I should know these things, huh?

I gotta tell you this much, though - I have no idea what Thomas is talking about when he says that "Purgatory Time" doesn't sound like Falconer.  It sounds EXACTLY like Falconer.  From the INSTANT I first heard that song, the first  few notes of that awesome guitar just screamed "Falconer" at me.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: kailef am Juli 12, 2005, 07:44:16 Nachmittag
Bah, I hate when I forget to log in.  That last message was from me.   :oops:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Stefan W am Juli 12, 2005, 07:46:03 Nachmittag
Please, mention some EMO bands. It sounds like that genre might contain alot of great melodic stuff.

By the way, the new "System of a down" is the best album this year.
But what would you guys call their music, Neo Metal feels like a very inapropriate name for a band that actually is great.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Juli 12, 2005, 07:53:16 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Stefan W"
By the way, the new "System of a down" is the best album this year.


I had a chance to listen some of the songs. Not bad, but not really the best album of the year.
My candidate for this title is the latest Candlemass album. Very heavy stuff.

Zitat

But what would you guys call their music, Neo Metal feels like a very inapropriate name for a band that actually is great.


NuMetal?

SCNR,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am Juli 12, 2005, 09:43:54 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Stefan W"
Please, mention some EMO bands. It sounds like that genre might contain alot of great melodic stuff.


I'm NOT sure, but I heard these are emo:

Atreyu
Caliban
Underoath

Maybe somebody with more experience with this style might post some more.

Zitat

By the way, the new "System of a down" is the best album this year.
But what would you guys call their music, Neo Metal feels like a very inapropriate name for a band that actually is great.


I have to agree - the new System of a Down album just rocks! Great stuff!
I'm really eager to listen to their next album coming out in Novembre called "Hypnotize".
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Radagast am Juli 12, 2005, 10:39:55 Nachmittag
Atreyu
Caliban
Underoath

These are all Metalcore bands (I think), which is like watered down melodeath with Emo vocals. There are indeed melodies to be found here, but its nothing you haven't heard a Gothenburg band do before (and better).
Then you have Emo-core (ridiculous, I know) which is Emo bands with a slight Metal influence, like Finch or Funeral For A Friend.
'True' Emo has no Metal influence, its actually closer to pop punk than anything else.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Juli 12, 2005, 11:52:09 Nachmittag
emo --

http://www.fourfa.com/styles/index.htm
http://www.fourfa.com/



and the flip side--

http://www.windfall-go.com/theantiemoempire/about.htm
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Mindtraveller am Juli 13, 2005, 12:24:41 Vormittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
Zitat von: "Stefan W"

But what would you guys call their music, Neo Metal feels like a very inapropriate name for a band that actually is great.


NuMetal?


They were kinda nu-rockish in the beginning, but they've improved a lot over the years. Wouldn't call them metal at all though, they're much more like a contemporary (although not traditional) hard rock band.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Radagast am Juli 13, 2005, 01:55:59 Vormittag
I'm not their biggest fan, but they are neither Metal nor Nu Metal. Hard to categorize for sure, but I guess hard rock is as close as you'll get. That latest single had elements of Thrash Metal, hardcore punk and pop all jammed into like three minutes.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: AngelOfMusic am Juli 13, 2005, 02:38:54 Vormittag
Bands that are Emo:

Linkin Park
Evanescence
KoRn
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Metalmaiden am Juli 13, 2005, 04:34:04 Vormittag
I think you are confusing NuMetal (Korn,Limp Bizkit) with Emo.

EMO is  emotionally driven hardcore (or  softcore) PUNK. It began with bands like: Rites of Spring, Hüsker Dü,  Fugazi,  Jimmy Eat World,  and is now bands like:  Dashboard Confessional, The Used, Coheed and Cambria, Poison the Well, My Chemical Romance, Hawthorne Heights

Its screaming,melodramatic,moody, soul-searching lyrics, sometimes whiney, nerdy dressing, unwashed messy hair combed forward covering  most of your face, tattoos & ear plugs earrings......

I saw this definition,its  funny, and it fits  -- "Mature" music made by cigarette-puffing ex-straightedgers. Heavy on soul-searching, hard to mosh to."
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am Juli 13, 2005, 07:39:33 Vormittag
Zitat von: "Radagast"
Atreyu
Caliban
Underoath

These are all Metalcore bands (I think)


METALCORE - yes! That was it. I knew I got something wrong there  :P



@Metalmaiden

Hey, that's a good explanation of Emo!
I read something like that at wikipedia too and realized, that I actually had not the right idea about Emo.
Whatever, that's not really my cup of tea.
Gimme a jar of heavy metal  :bluebanger:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Juli 13, 2005, 12:32:39 Nachmittag
(Sorry if this message is gruff, I am not exactly in a great mood at the moment :cry:  :wink: )

Why is there all this need to classify bands and what they sound like. Why is there so much resistance to when a band develops as it goes on. I think  that they trend as you get older, (and I said this is a trend, not for everybody) is that when people are younger, maybe they feel more comfortable when things are straight forward and unchanging? And as you get older, you appreciate change and progress, or maybe as you get older you realize that there is no way to stop/control it. I don't know. Music lately has so many band that don't fit into any category. I often use the labels that are out there, but people often disaggree with what my definition is, so I change the use of the label, and then someone else says "that's not what _____ is" ughhh  :wink:  I don't know what the answer is, I just am getting tired of this label thing....... thanks for listening to this small rant, not much time, have to go to work......


As for System of A Down..... I love that album, may agree with Stefan as best of the year.... they have many influences and you can really hear their Armenian roots/melodies in their music. they mix so much into their music and all the changes in tempo and melody just titally seem to fit together. Truly great musicians.

My first impressions of Grime keep getting better and better as I listen to it. i really like the melodies and the overall speed/tempo of the songs. I was not as thrilled with some of the choruses that seem to go on to long, (for my tastes   :wink:) which is why I initially did not like what I heard,  but I am enjoying the song writing and overall performance/feel.  you have written some really catchy hooks there!!!!
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Juli 13, 2005, 02:51:31 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"

Why is there all this need to classify bands and what they sound like.


Piece of cake: Because so much of us are on the hunt to find fresh bands that are to our tastes.
:)

It is much easier to say "I like Viking metal" than to say "I like Doomsword, but not really for their Doom, but for their Viking themes. The same goes for Thyrfing, but there is a little too much Black in "Vannesvisor". "Urkraft", however has the right mixture. Oh, and let us not forget the latest release of Falkenbach. I'd prefer that with some more screams, though..."

As you will notice, both are not opposites but one is the elaboration of the other.

Zitat

 Why is there so much resistance to when a band develops as it goes on.


This is because some of us have a very emotional connection to the sound of a band when it was first discovered.
I can't stand the last Morgoth album because it just doesn't sound right. I treasure their debut as the finest piece of German Death metal.

No logic involved.
:)

Zitat

Music lately has so many band that don't fit into any category.


Really? Never noticed this before.

Zitat

I often use the labels that are out there, but people often disaggree with what my definition is, so I change the use of the label, and then someone else says "that's not what _____ is" ughhh


Yes, this is exactly what language is there for.
:)

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: The Metal RN am Juli 14, 2005, 12:05:19 Vormittag
Zitat von: "TexJoachim"
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"

Why is there all this need to classify bands and what they sound like.


Piece of cake: Because so much of us are on the hunt to find fresh bands that are to our tastes.
:)

It is much easier to say "I like Viking metal" than to say "I like Doomsword, but not really for their Doom, but for their Viking themes. The same goes for Thyrfing, but there is a little too much Black in "Vannesvisor". "Urkraft", however has the right mixture. Oh, and let us not forget the latest release of Falkenbach. I'd prefer that with some more screams, though..."

As you will notice, both are not opposites but one is the elaboration of the other.


But see, to me this is much more descriptive and tells me more about
a) why you like the band and
b) what they sound like

I mean I do understand the convenience of shorthand, but it gets difficult when people have differing views of the terms used, unless you want to go with "delicious-happy-party-death-metal-non-disco-thrash-punk-metalcore-witha hint of opera-based on antarctic folk lore-with an essence of rare polish doom polka " :P
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Juli 14, 2005, 10:14:50 Vormittag
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"

.. unless you want to go with "delicious-happy-party-death-metal-non-disco-thrash-punk-metalcore-witha hint of opera-based on antarctic folk lore-with an essence of rare polish doom polka " :P


 :laugh:  :laugh: Interesting style!! Any bands i can check ??  :laugh:  :laugh:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: TexJoachim am Juli 14, 2005, 03:45:14 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "dorian jane"
Zitat von: "The Metal RN"

.. unless you want to go with "delicious-happy-party-death-metal-non-disco-thrash-punk-metalcore-witha hint of opera-based on antarctic folk lore-with an essence of rare polish doom polka " :P


 :laugh:  :laugh: Interesting style!! Any bands i can check ??  :laugh:  :laugh:


Let me have a look...
;)

Greetz,

Tex
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Prab am Juli 14, 2005, 04:30:16 Nachmittag
@The Doom Polka RN

 :D LOOOL  :lol:

You rock  :bluebanger:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Anonymous am Juli 14, 2005, 08:42:10 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Prab"
@The Doom Polka RN

 :D LOOOL  :lol:


 :lol2:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: dorian jane am Juli 14, 2005, 08:43:53 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Anonymous"
Zitat von: "Prab"
@The Doom Polka RN

 :D LOOOL  :lol:


 :lol2:


Me..
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Arthyron am Juli 14, 2005, 08:53:37 Nachmittag
I like it. :)

I was worried when Matthias left, that Falconer would just become a mediocre normal metal band (as Matthias was who first got me interested in the band, and is basically my biggest influence in singing).

While "Sceptre" was good and all, it just wasn't up to par, and I was worried.

But with Grime vs. Grandeur, it's plain to see that Falconer can still kick some ass. ;)  Now the musical style has been more adapted to Kristoffer's vocals, and more in tune with the new image of the band.  I think it was quite good.  I'd still like to see some more clean vocals (I've always loved clean vocals over gritty vocals any day) out of Kristoffer, cause he's got a good voice, but other than that, I think it was a job well done. ;)
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Sokolnik am September 01, 2005, 05:49:12 Nachmittag
Zitat von: "Arthyron"

But with Grime vs. Grandeur, it's plain to see that Falconer can still kick some ass. ;)  Now the musical style has been more adapted to Kristoffer's vocals, and more in tune with the new image of the band.  I think it was quite good.


yes i agree!!the music is different 'cause Krisopher voice better fits to this music.and i also would like to hear more clean vocals 'cause everyone sings the same...they are trying to have artifical hoarseness  :shock: i also like Kamelot..this guy Khan also sings clearly and does many strange "things" with his voice  :roll:
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: The Metalbot am September 07, 2005, 10:25:12 Vormittag
I think Falconer were so much better with Mathias. Now they sound more like some ordinary Power Metal act that doesn't know which leg to stand on. I'm sorry, but my love for their  (new) music died when they missed out on the two ingredients that made them so special:
1) Mathias extraordinary voice
2) The medieval (and sometimes magical/fantasy) lyrics

I just don't think Kristofers voice is anything special. He's another pretty good singer. But I think it's sad that they change their style (the medieval approach) just because they have a singer that doesn't measure up.

Alas, I like some of the new songs. "Humanity Overdose" and "Child Of The Wild" are the two songs that really touches me on the latest album. On those songs, Kristofer's voice works  well, and they sure have got some of that "old Falconer style".

I don't think Falconer will ever find a singer like Mathias again, and I don't think they have ever looked for one, They knew when Mathias left that they would have to find a new totally different singer and along with him a new approach in the music style. I also think that everyone who thinks the first albums (Falconer and Chapters) are the best ones, will never think Falconer will sound as refreshing and groundbreaking as they did back then (well, those records still does).

I will still follow Falconer's progress. I like their latest work, and I listen to the best pieces of it, But I can't stop feeling the magic has gone with Mathias.

And one thing is for sure: My two top CD's are "Falconer" and "Chapters". They move me more and more everytime I listen to them. And I haven't grown tired with them after more than 1000 listenings. To me, they are the two best (metal) records EVER made!

Sidenote:
I have to give a big thank you to Stefan and the rest of you in Falconer. You are very good musicians and producers. The arranging, engineering and productions you've made kicks ass. Top notch.
Titel: First impressions from "Grime vs. Grandeur"
Beitrag von: Sokolnik am September 08, 2005, 05:55:48 Nachmittag
yes they've lost something but as i've read in one interviev "not only dragon and b**s*** here" recently i liked very much "sceptre fo deception" and the lyrics really kickin asss