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Zombies => Metal & Talk (english) => Thema gestartet von: dorian jane am April 07, 2005, 02:12:54 Vormittag
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Having just come out of the Euthanasia topic , i thought it would be a good idea knowing how you feel about yr own funeral procedures. Since everybody is buried when dead here in Greece and only recently we were let to know we have a diffferent option..
I definitely vote for the burn procedure. I definitely prefer a funeral pyre rather than having my body turn to big ,white ,disgusting white worms...
(a very morbid topic but still , curious to know)
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Absolutely Burn! (I've even researched the availability of open pyre cremation)
Beyond the roman\tic notion of the "Viking funeral" I just think rotting in the ground is creepy.
I'd rather become apart of the universe as dust in the wind. :wink:
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Burned for sure, I like the idea of being scattered at a favorite place of mine or at some special location. For practical reasons I beleive IMHO, that cedmeteries are a big waste of space.
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I will probably get buried in the ground... (and in churchs ground :shock: )... There's a place for me where someone's already waiting ;)
But I too like the idea of burning, when I'm dead... But I would want to be burned on a wooden board pushed to the water... Like they do in Midsummer here. Though, without the people :lol:
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Burned for sure, I like the idea of being scattered at a favorite place of mine or at some special location.
Completely agreed.
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Hmmmmm, haven't thought much about this topic. But I have thought about offering my usable organs for transplantation after my departure. I have no use for my physical vessel after death, so I shouldn't care much about what happens to it.
Still, the idea of a bloating white body being ripped apart by worms isn't that pleasent, really. Being burnt (the rest after the usable organs have been taken out ;)) on open water is a very good idea, but hard to accomplish, I think.
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Hmmmmm, haven't thought much about this topic. But I have thought about offering my usable organs for transplantation after my departure. I have no use for my physical vessel after death, so I shouldn't care much about what happens to it.
Still, the idea of a bloating white body being ripped apart by worms isn't that pleasent, really. Being burnt (the rest after the usable organs have been taken out ;)) on open water is a very good idea, but hard to accomplish, I think.
I am a big believer in organ donation myself! When I turned legal age the first thing I did was sign an organ donation card.
I encourage anyone and everyone to consider it. (I certainly respect those who decline for personal or religious reasons)
In the event of an untimely death its nice to know you can do some good for someone else and that a little piece of you carries on.
Burned for sure, I like the idea of being scattered at a favorite place of mine or at some special location.
I was planning on keeping you in an urn on the mantlepiece but maybe you'd wish to be scattered at a metal concert?? :lol:
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Hmmmmm, haven't thought much about this topic. But I have thought about offering my usable organs for transplantation after my departure. I have no use for my physical vessel after death, so I shouldn't care much about what happens to it.
Still, the idea of a bloating white body being ripped apart by worms isn't that pleasent, really. Being burnt (the rest after the usable organs have been taken out ;)) on open water is a very good idea, but hard to accomplish, I think.
I am a big believer in organ donation myself! When I turned legal age the first thing I did was sign an organ donation card.
I encourage anyone and everyone to consider it. (I certainly respect those who decline for personal or religious reasons)
In the event of an untimely death its nice to know you can do some good for someone else and that a little piece of you carries on.
I can totally agree, and encourage any and all to think about it as well. It is a truly amazing gift to give.
Burned for sure, I like the idea of being scattered at a favorite place of mine or at some special location.
I was planning on keeping you in an urn on the mantlepiece but maybe you'd wish to be scattered at a metal concert?? :lol:
I thought that you were going to do that new technique that turns the carbon from the cremation process into a pretty diamond and wear me around your neck. :D
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Regarding Odin's, Metalmaiden's and Metal RN's posts: I agree.Organ donation is one of the utmost altruistic, non-selfish gestures from a human being to another.
I thought that you were going to do that new technique that turns the carbon from the cremation process into a pretty diamond and wear me around your neck.
Ohhhh, such a romantic soul !!! and maybe there could be an inscription on it ,like "and i will love you still my dear till all the seas go dry, till all the seas go dry my dear, and the rocks melt with the sun"....
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Regarding Odin's, Metalmaiden's and Metal RN's posts: I agree.Organ donation is one of the utmost altruistic, non-selfish gestures from a human being to another.
I thought that you were going to do that new technique that turns the carbon from the cremation process into a pretty diamond and wear me around your neck.
Ohhhh, such a romantic soul !!! and maybe there could be an inscription on it ,like "and i will love you still my dear till all the seas go dry, till all the seas go dry my dear, and the rocks melt with the sun"....
Actually I'd LOVE to do that. I find the idea comforting to keep your truelove close to your heart so to speak. Its very romantic.
I've heard some people though say they found it morbid or disgusting.
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Actually I'd LOVE to do that. I find the idea comforting to keep your truelove close to your heart so to speak. Its very romantic.
I've heard some people though say they found it morbid or disgusting.
Yeah..but doesn't that give you the feeling that these people haven't really felt in their bones the power of love? (I mean i've witnessed hundreds of times my father changing my mother's slipads , helping her eat, stand up , walk- things unthought of, unbearable to others- simply because he loves her so much...
Well, go tell him that keeping his true love close to his heart is morbid or disgusting).
Morbid is the idea of people who never felt real love.
Disgusting is the idea of having to deal with such people every day.
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Very well said Dorian Jane!!! I admire couples like your parents. Being without my beloved is something that I just can not comprehend, I would do anything she needed, forever, as she wishes........
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What i oughta say now ? They just make me wanna be a better person... (even better? nahh, this can't be done !!! :wink: ) - (and as i'm so moved by all this right now)..thanks, and Yeha Noha to both of you!!!
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Burnt.. as it says in the Bible, "Ashes to Ashes, and Dust to Dust"......
and then I want to be taken out to Nea Bay in Washington state in the spring time when the tides are going to Alaska so that they can carry me home to my bodys final restin place....
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I prefer Burned because i dont like the idea in the ground.,
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burned for sure, lest som evil necromance uses my rotting corpse as a zombie. Or worse yet, to be dug up and molested :shock:
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:shock: :shock: :shock:
Wao! These thoughts of yours are really sick !!!
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LOL yeah but this is what i think as well, i dont like the idea to rotting away :roll:
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Ok, but getting dug up and molested?? :shock:
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LOL what means dug up and molested? :shock:
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When someone comes and takes out your dead body from the ground and does horrible things with it, like ..you know..
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When someone comes and takes out your dead body from the ground and does horrible things with it, like ..you know..
Duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,necromania, :? no thanks, :wonder:
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:shock: :shock: :shock:
Wao! These thoughts of yours are really sick !!!
And the world is a very sick place :twisted:
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And the world is a very sick place :twisted:
Well it may appear so, but IMVHO the world is just what we make of it :wink:
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Defenetly burned.
I want to eliminate any small chance of waking up inside a coffin! *shiver*
I don't generally have any problems with coffins, I just don't want to wake up inside one several feets below the ground. :!:
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Defenetly burned.
I want to eliminate any small chance of waking up inside a coffin! *shiver*
I don't generally have any problems with coffins, I just don't want to wake up inside one several feets below the ground. :!:
You are talking about necrophania (apparent death) my friend..yeah, that's the most dreadful thing of all..It used to be kinda common many many years ago, when people weren't mourned or sent to the morgue but instantly buried,it doesn't happen nowdays -as far as i know-..but still is creepy as hell..
I need to ask something cause i just noticed that all of the people posting here are in favour of getting burned...WHY THE HELL DO THEY KEEP THAT BURY THING?
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Yes, but you never now and if there is the slightest chance I surely want to eliminate it. :P
I don't no why they keep burying people...I think it's the church's fault!
I won't be buried in any holy ground anyway because I'm not baptised...(thank's mum)
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Yes, but you never now and if there is the slightest chance I surely want to eliminate it. :P
I don't no why they keep burying people...I think it's the church's fault!
I won't be buried in any holy ground anyway because I'm not baptised...(thank's mum)
Yeah, haha, i know what you mean..
Tell me more about this baptising thing..i'm greek and every greek has to be baptised and has to be an orthodox , it's kinda obligatory or self-understood, i know that in other countries baptising isn't obligatory,but this is the first time i hear that not being baptised deprives you of getting buried in holy ground...tell me more! :P
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I'm not totaly sure about it but I think that I cannot be buried in holy ground. I'm not a member of the swedish church and I think it's more because of that, that I can't be buried in holy ground. I have to be buried somewhere else. I'm not so sure where but no sens in worrying about that now. It used to be that if one of your parents is a member of the swedish church then you automatically becomes a member but I think that they have changed it so that you have to be baptised to become a member. I'm not really in to it scence it's not my religion.
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I need to ask something cause i just noticed that all of the people posting here are in favour of getting burned...WHY THE HELL DO THEY KEEP THAT BURY THING?
The ritual of burying someone seems to ease the pain of a loss in some. It is indeed part of that whole faith thingie I guess - sending a body back to the earth it came from to become what it was made of.
Phew, I'm too long on my feet today to think about that stuff like that... :-/
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The ritual of burying someone seems to ease the pain of a loss in some. It is indeed part of that whole faith thingie I guess - sending a body back to the earth it came from to become what it was made of.
Yeah,
but you cul do that just as well with ashes...sometimes they put the ashes in the coffin and buires it. They did that with my grand uncle....
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I need to ask something cause i just noticed that all of the people posting here are in favour of getting burned...WHY THE HELL DO THEY KEEP THAT BURY THING?
The ritual of burying someone seems to ease the pain of a loss in some. It is indeed part of that whole faith thingie I guess - sending a body back to the earth it came from to become what it was made of.
Phew, I'm too long on my feet today to think about that stuff like that... :-/
Well. i strongly believe they should ask us first..haha not after death of course, but when nearly dying at least.... the ashes to ashes,dust to dust thing, is just not my thing. :wink:
As for the faith..i guess it has to do with a nation's/ tribe's/ race's culture..i mean there used to be a race (i can't remember the name right now but i'll come back with it-just need to search for it in Herodotus' Muses books- 9 books) that used to keep its dead for three days and then eat them, cause they believed that by doing so, they would keep their dead alive inside of them!! How about that?
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mean there used to be a race (i can't remember the name right now but i'll come back with it-just need to search for it in Herodotus' Muses books- 9 books) that used to keep its dead for three days and then eat them, cause they believed that by doing so, they would keep their dead alive inside of them!! How about that?
I read about that, too, and I think it's plain and simply disgusting.
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mean there used to be a race (i can't remember the name right now but i'll come back with it-just need to search for it in Herodotus' Muses books- 9 books) that used to keep its dead for three days and then eat them, cause they believed that by doing so, they would keep their dead alive inside of them!! How about that?
I read about that, too, and I think it's plain and simply disgusting.
:lol: Yeah, i think so too, but apparently they did not.
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I wonder why they waited for three days...hm...
I can agree that it's disgusting, but if you think about it from their point if whew...without modern explanations to things...that was probebly completely logical to them.
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I wonder why they waited for three days...hm...
I can agree that it's disgusting, but if you think about it from their point if whew...without modern explanations to things...that was probebly completely logical to them.
I at least have heart that they waited three days so the soul could move on, and then eat the powers and wisdom of the body. Yummy.
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*lol*
I see, well, if they want to do so then it's fine by me, I only hope that i don't have to. :wink:
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Quoting to myself : Those who used to eat their dead, were several tribes from India, and the exact reason was that they wanted to gain their deads' virtues.
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I read this article in the Greek version of Investor's mag today.I only translated some parts as it is a big one, but still..Some of you may find it interesting.
"Burial prevailed against burning after the appearance of Christianity in Greece.In fact burial is neither a dogma, nor an obligation.
It is a result of a long time practice, it is a custom.
Theoretically, the Orthodox Church doesn't accept burning the dead, but there isn't any official prohibition on the burning procedure.
Cremation doesn't take place in Greece not because it's illegal (there isn't a law that either prohibits or allows burning), but simply because there's no practical possibility.All the orthodox christians, or Greek citizens of other religion, who wish to be cremated have to be moved in countries where all presuppositions are fulfilled for the safe completion of this procedure.
Greeks are caried to Bulgaria,Rome, Munich,England, in order to be burned in "cutting edge" cremators - cause such machines are used in most countries that have respected articles 8 and 9 of the International Treaty of Human Rights.
In Norway a 70% of the dead gets cremated.67% in Denmark, 52% in New Zealand and Australia, 35% in Canada.
In countries such as Argentina,Austria,Belgium,China,France,Italy,Japan,Spain,Switzerland and America people get both buried and burned.
It isn't a matter of taking sides, but a matter of being aware of both procedures and a matter of defending our right to choose what will become of us when we shall no longer be.
Organisations have been founded lately, such as the "Union of Cremation supporters" and the "Commitee for Greek cremation center foundation" , which have rapidly become members of the ICF.
Although proposals have been made to the Church, it seems that they are not taken into consideration and just because until now conflicts have been avoided between the State and the Church, the right to be burned remains ignored.
The ruling legislation regulates mostly the things concerning burial with law 448/68 and the presidential order 1128/80 and no burning prohibition results from these laws. On the contrary, law 1383/83 gives us the right to determine our after death fortune and by law 1492,chapter ζ, article 201 ashes and bones are both regarded as equal, which means that cremation is anticipated, otherwise there would be no ashes involved."
The article goes on with the advantages of burning. Less graveyard space.Clean and healthy ground.Much less money spent.Less suffering for the relatives. And last but not least, no myths and hocus pocus regarding death.
Greece is one of the most freedom loving/acting accordingly countries.Some things though really have to change.The right to be burned is one of them.