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Zombies => Metal & Talk (english) => Thema gestartet von: AngelOfMusic am Mai 20, 2005, 06:23:04 Nachmittag
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The Clarion Call is definitely one of my favorite songs. One day, while my mom and I were listening to it she commented: "'Who's side is God really on?' I love that! Every warring country thinks God is on their side and not the enemy's."
And Mindtraveller (another one of my favs) reminds me of Buddhism.
The metal geek in me has just exploded with joy.
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The Clarion Call is definitely one of my favorite songs. One day, while my mom and I were listening to it she commented: "'Who's side is God really on?' I love that! Every warring country thinks God is on their side and not the enemy's
1.Yeah, Clarion Call is a great song !
2.Gods don't take sides, no matter what leaders say in order to convince people of their
justified causes.
3.Countries at war need to believe that God is on their side and not the enemy's. It's part of the brainwash they are subjected to.
4.Did i mention that Clarion Call is a great song? :wink:
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2.Gods don't take sides, no matter what leaders say in order to convince people of their
justified causes.
Just because the Christian God doesn't, it does not mean that other gods won't.
:)
Mythology knows a number of war gods with only one hand/eye... that took sides.
:)
Greetz,
Tex
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2.Gods don't take sides, no matter what leaders say in order to convince people of their
justified causes.
Just because the Christian God doesn't, it does not mean that other gods won't.
:)
Mythology knows a number of war gods with only one hand/eye... that took sides.
:)
Greetz,
Tex
See the plural s in Gods? :)
As for Gods taking sides, i wanted to exclude at least the Greek gods in the first place, (e.g.: in the war between Greeks and Trojans ) , but with writing what i did,obviously my intention was different.. :wink:
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There's a theory that the pagan gods (Norse, Greek/Roman, Native American, etc...) are the children of angels who came to earth and said "Heeeyyyy, we can have some fun here, WOO!" And they did.
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There's a theory that the pagan gods (Norse, Greek/Roman, Native American, etc...) are the children of angels who came to earth and said "Heeeyyyy, we can have some fun here, WOO!" And they did.
Whose theory is that? :wonder: First of all the word pagan, regarding all the afore mentioned Gods, is given to them by the Christians who wanted to make them sound evil, wrong and not worthy of being worshiped by the people. This word did not exist back in the old days/ways.
Angels exist only in the new religions .The old religions had to do with good and bad demons-where obviously the word demon had a totally different meaning than it has now.
I think that a theory that places angels before the old gods and sends them to earth in order to have fun, is at least ridiculous if not suspicious.
Since this is a wrong topic for this kind of discussion, and if there are others who are interested in continuing it, i would kindly ask our administrators to move it from here and put it somewhere more appropriate.
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There's a theory that the pagan gods (Norse, Greek/Roman, Native American, etc...) are the children of angels who came to earth and said "Heeeyyyy, we can have some fun here, WOO!" And they did.
Whose theory is that? :wonder: First of all the word pagan, regarding all the afore mentioned Gods, is given to them by the Christians who wanted to make them sound evil, wrong and not worthy of being worshiped by the people. This word did not exist back in the old days/ways.
Angels exist only in the new religions .The old religions had to do with good and bad demons-where obviously the word demon had a totally different meaning than it has now.
I think that a theory that places angels before the old gods and sends them to earth in order to have fun, is at least ridiculous if not suspicious.
Since this is a wrong topic for this kind of discussion, and if there are others who are interested in continuing it, i would kindly ask our administrators to move it from here and put it somewhere more appropriate.
It really shouldn't matter who's theory it is. I just thought it was an interesting one. And I will point out that I did not say they were sent here to have fun. They could have done so of their own accord. However, since religions are amorphous/abstract at best, don't go taking everything I say as written in stone. I said it's a theory. Not that you have to/should believe it. The point of faith is to find your own truth, and you can take or leave the things other people throw out there as you will. Sheesh, next time I'll just keep the things I think are interesting to myself. :P
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It really shouldn't matter who's theory it is. I just thought it was an interesting one. And I will point out that I did not say they were sent here to have fun. They could have done so of their own accord. However, since religions are amorphous/abstract at best, don't go taking everything I say as written in stone. I said it's a theory. Not that you have to/should believe it. The point of faith is to find your own truth, and you can take or leave the things other people throw out there as you will. Sheesh, next time I'll just keep the things I think are interesting to myself. :P
I feel i pissed you off somehow and i never intented to do that. It's just that I accept theories only when they result from valid sources or when they give me a bibliography to do my own research. So i guess it does matter to me whose theory any theory is.
I don't expect to find the ultimate truth but i can dig up ,find some facts, join them together and come up with some bits and pieces of it, at least.
I don't regard religions as amorphous or abstract. Many of them, as well as their gods, are not. On the contrary , i would say that they are pretty clear and concrete.
And please, do keep sharing the things you find interesting :) ..not much progress would be made among the human race if we didn't share things with each other.
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No no, not pissed off. Just feeling a bit defensive. Misunderstandings happen, no big deal. :) Text is difficult for conveying emotion. I WOULD like to continue a similar discussion, but as you said earlier, a new thread should probably be started.
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Should I move some of the postings to a new topic (and area)? If so, tell me which.
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Yeah, please do! I think that the first post by Angel of music would be suited for moving to a new topic, but then Jacob_hasse says something different.What do you think about it @AoP?
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No no, not pissed off. Just feeling a bit defensive.
I can understand that. :)
Misunderstandings happen, no big deal. :) Text is difficult for conveying emotion.
Oh yes..it is..
I WOULD like to continue a similar discussion, but as you said earlier, a new thread should probably be started.
:D
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Mythology knows a number of war gods with only one hand/eye... that took sides.
:)
Just like Har , the one-eyed?
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Seeing so many ancient gods' nicknames on the boards, -not just this one- makes me wonder-do all these people really believe in these gods? Chosing a god's name certainly means a lot of things.But still, is it true belief to the god, or is it just the god's vices and virtues one uses to describe himself?
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OR, do you just like that god the best? :)
On Ebay and on another board I use the name HelNorseGoddess because I happen to like Hel. Alot. There is not nearly enough information/lore about her, and I feel she is one of the most underrated figures in Norse Mythology. Hel is awesome.
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Hm, I guess this question somehow aimed at me... ;)
I don't believe in the norse gods to be anything but sagas, lores. But I like the atmosphere, the stories and the virtues, yeah. :)
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OR, do you just like that god the best? :)
On Ebay and on another board I use the name HelNorseGoddess because I happen to like Hel. Alot. There is not nearly enough information/lore about her, and I feel she is one of the most underrated figures in Norse Mythology. Hel is awesome.
Hel or Hela, the goddess of the dead.Daughter of Loki and Angerboda.Sister of Jormungand (the evil Misgand serpent) and Fenrir (the giant wolf).She was easy to recognise because half of her was black and the other half was normal skin colour.Odin threw her into Niflheim , the world of darkness where she resided .Hel was also the world of the dead.
There are many similarities with the Greek mythology. In Greece Persephoni - daughter of Dimitra (goddess of crops and fertility) was the goddess of the underworld -Hades- which she ruled together with her husband Pluton -lord of the underworld realm- but she only stayed there half of the year , the other half she lived above. (It was the reason why half of the year was fall/winter -Dimitra crying for the loss of her daughter- and the other half spring/summer -Dimitra rejoycing -.
And Odin, this question didn't aim at you..only :wink:
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OR, do you just like that god the best? :)
On Ebay and on another board I use the name HelNorseGoddess because I happen to like Hel. Alot. There is not nearly enough information/lore about her, and I feel she is one of the most underrated figures in Norse Mythology. Hel is awesome.
Hel or Hela, the goddess of the dead.Daughter of Loki and Angerboda.Sister of Jormungand (the evil Misgand serpent) and Fenrir (the giant wolf).She was easy to recognise because half of her was black and the other half was normal skin colour.Odin threw her into Niflheim , the world of darkness where she resided .Hel was also the world of the dead.
I already knew that. ;) I have books of Norse Lore. It's not that you CAN'T find info about her, it's just that there doesn't seem to be much in the way of stories, tales, or anything about her other than she's part of Loki's brood, she rules Helheim, and her bottom half is a corpse. That's about it. But you can find tons of info and tales about Thor, Odin, and the other, more popular gods. We know about their characters, how they handle various situations, whether or not they are kind, brutish, mean, fun-loving, etc...but there really isn't much about what Hel is like. There are hardly any stories concerning her. She's just a passing thought in the folklore, and this really annoys me.
And I HAVE noticed the similarities to greek mythology. All the Norse Gods have their Greek counterparts. Just like Allah, Jehova, God, Yaweh, etc...all tend to be the same deity. But then, my own beliefs are starting to color my writing, so I'll just stop now. :P
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Hehe i was sure you did :) , i was just showing off hahaha :mrgreen: I agree with you , there are indeed some gods that take all the credit while some others stay in the dark. It is the same with Greek mythology. Maybe you could -if you haven't already-do a bit of searching into cults, mysticistic religions etc, there's a possibility of finding yr goddess in there.. i know i found many things regarding Pan (the greek goat-feet god) -who is my favourite god of all-by doing so.
And yes , I think too that all contemporary gods tend to be just one..it's not just my personal belief but plain logic which makes me result to this conclusion.
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Well, part of the reason I joined the faith I'm now a part of is because their beliefs matched the conclusions I drew on my own. The faith fit ME, I didn't have to conform to fit it. Which I believe is how it should be. :)
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I cannot speak for others , but ancient Greeks had Gods that were very much alike the human beings..(except for the powers of course).One of the reasons, i think, was that they wanted Gods to be approachable/ tangible and i think Gods wanted the same thing.They wanted to commune with the humans, they never expected a certain way of behaving or being from them.The matter of religion itself was rather philosophical than theological.So i would say that Greeks had a religion fit for them and not one they had to fit in. As for contemporary gods and religions, i'm so against all their prohibitions and expectations and their constant reminding of panishment and hell, sometimes i think that they weren't meant for humans after all.
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I do a study Nors mythology and Freya is one of my favorites, she was not afraid for a batlle.
Do i dont believe in any God but every culture have hís own mythology and i realy love the Nors.
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It is indeed worthy of sinking yr teeth into :)