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Zombies => Falconer => Thema gestartet von: Prab am Oktober 08, 2004, 09:41:37 Vormittag
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Since I smelled an upcoming discussion at this topic here (http://boards.bleeding4metal.de/viewtopic.php?t=14&start=90) about this matter, I thought I'd be better to open a new discussion round for it.
So what are your thoughts on this?
Have you experienced "kiddies" (let's say "people between the ages of 13-17") at metal concerts?
Do you feel annoyed by them?
Did you ever get in trouble?
Have you guys ever witnessed something typical "kiddie-like" happening at a metal or rock concert, involving such youngsters?
Or do you actually just don't care about them and think a metal concert is for everyone and every age?
I'll drop in with my point of view later in this topic.
Prab
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Most of the small "kids" seems too be into shit music (IMO), NU-Metal... like Korn, Slipknot and such crap. Some of them are very anoying on concerts as they try to take your place in the front. But just give em' a little punch in the stomach and they won't trouble you again :wink:
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They can be annoying, but you have to remember that they are paying customers and those sales help get your favorite bands into many doors.
Also weren't we kiddies at one point?
There does seem to be a difference nowadays. I actually have more problems with the older 20-24 yearsolds who go into the pits to hurt some of these younger kids, basically just because they are bigger :x :angry: :fuck:
It should just be fun, have a good time, get some tensions out. Though the temptation to smack one of those wise-cracking obnoxious kids can be very tempting :wink:
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Yea the term 'kiddies' I used in the other thread was actually more of an encompassing statement for the infantile posers that just get in the way at gigs, aged anything between 13-25 (and I'm only 21). You know the sorts, in the case of the younger ones its "I'm going to try and act crazy cause I'm a mad fuckin' rocker" and the older ones that decide "I know I showed up five minutes before the band went on because I spent the rest of the night getting pissed up, but I'm still going to shove my way to the front".
People who give the impression that they aren't at the gig for the music, but to be part of "the scene". I want to know where all the people at DragonForce (now considered something of a 'cool' band by nu-metallers in Glasgow looking desperately for a new genre to cling onto) were couple of months earlier when BLAZE, a Metal band in desperate need of support, played the same venue for the same price of ticket.
End rant.
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the older ones that decide "I know I showed up five minutes before the band went on because I spent the rest of the night getting pissed up, but I'm still going to shove my way to the front"..
These can be very dangerous, I remeber going to SwedenRock in 2003, and we were awed by how all the people behaved, there were 1000's of people there, for many different types of bands, all getting along really well. When you ar eat a festival with that many people you are bound to bump into someone, it is expected, and people were polite and just ignored it. I have seen shows here in the US where people take it as an assault/insult and get in your face for nothing, wanting to start something. It was very refreshing to see all the people from different countries showing their flags and trying to get their's the highest, and holding the flags from the bands they were watching, it was all done in fun. Well after we got back home we went to see InFlames at Toad's Place in New Haven the next weekend, and we hadn't even gotten in the door when this kid comes flying out of the front door, assisted by two bouncers, with a bloody nose and a girl chasing after him saying, "what happened?" He replied "the guy just sucker punched me, so i went after him". I turned to my wife and said, "yeah, we are back home alright." :rolleyes:
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Damn straight, I was astonished by the simply wonderful behaviour of the people at the Sweden Rock Festival this year. Virtually no crushing (some jostling, but who cares about that), bottles of water being passed around and HANDED BACK to security to be refilled (in Scotland its one guy takes a drink then throws it back over his head) and people that actually like making freinds in the crowd instead of looking to cause trouble. A real eye-opener.
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I don't mind a younger crowd at concerts. Even at Ozzfest the people there were very nice and considerate...at least to me. As long as any teenagers that are at a metal concert don't act like idiots, I don't mind them. There were a few when I went and saw HammerFall live, and they had a blast, from what I could see.
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..... we went to see InFlames at Toad's Place in New Haven the next weekend, and we hadn't even gotten in the door when this kid comes flying out of the front door, assisted by two bouncers, with a bloody nose and a girl chasing after him saying, "what happened?" He replied "the guy just sucker punched me, so i went after him". I turned to my wife and said, "yeah, we are back home alright." :rolleyes:
I also remember remember a few obnoxious young stage divers who almost took out Anders Fridén several times! To his credit though he kept right on singing and never missed a beat!!!
On the other side of that there were a couple of well behaved, maybe 13 year old? s, at the very front of the stage who had patiently waited all night there for InFlames to come on. When they did, they stared in awe, smiled and grinned the biggest grins I've ever seen, banged their heads and were just ecstatic when the memebers gave them eye contact, thumbs up signs and slapped hands with them.
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... Youngsters... hmmh... Well, when I'm on gigs I have a bigger problem with those 20-??? drunken men falling and fooling around in the audience (Though this is Finnland so what can ypu expect...)... I like to be in the front if I like the band, but usually I'm the only woman in there so... well, there are a lot of heavy drunken men so I just need to be strict and watch my back :lol:
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What about the women who are always pulling up their shirts and flashing their breasts? !
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What about the women who are always pulling up their shirts and flashing their breasts? !
Isn't that a US phenomenon? I've seen this on a Judas Priest DVD, but never experienced such profanity at a concert in Germany.
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Greetz,
Tex
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Now there is a rather strange phrase ? What do you mean by that Virvatuli ?
About youngsters attending concerts ? Boy, it has been ages since I went to a gig.
Guess my concert-going days are over... :cry: And besides, I live in Belgium, not many big metal bands frequent my country. Too bad not even Falconer made it over here...
Oh well, I've seen plenty of bands some 20 years ago and I can't say it bothered me that much... Probably 'cause I was only 18, 19 myself back then... :wink:
And indeed, Metal Maiden, this breast-flashing thing , as Joachim pointed out, seems like a US phenomenom.... C'mon european ladies, don't let the Americans take the lead...
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So you don't have topless women at concerts with their chests artisticly and brightly painted either?
http://wccc.com/photos/Ozzfest2004Gallery1/DSCN3400.html
ok that's a guy but --
http://wccc.com/photos/Ozzfest2004Gallery1/DSCN3540.html
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What about the women who are always pulling up their shirts and flashing their breasts? !
For the life of me, I can't quite understand that. :insane:
Nothing quite says "cheap sleazy girl full of disease" quite like feeling the need to show your tits to the band and/or fans.
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So you don't have topless women at concerts with their chests artisticly and brightly painted either?
No. Perhaps because nudity is so common in Europe nowadays.
Dimmu Borgir and some other BM bands have nearly nude dancers on stage, the singer Marduk regularly cuts himself up in stage...
Been there, seen that.
:)
Apart from that, there are sight that I really don't want to see again. Once on a concert with a lot of female goths, one of the--for a better word--females was dressed in a see-through top. No bra. Height 150cm. Weight 150kg.
What a sight.
:(
Greetz,
Tex
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And besides, I live in Belgium, not many big metal bands frequent my country. Too bad not even Falconer made it over here...
Well, lots of bands come to this part of Europe.
:)
Falconer, too.
:)
Got a chance to chat with them, got some autographs...
:)
Perhaps you'd like to pay a visit?
Greetz,
Tex
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Nothing quite says "cheap sleazy girl full of disease" quite like feeling the need to show your tits to the band and/or fans.
Exactly!
Greetz,
Tex
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Shadowman, just ment that there's nothing unusual whit drunken men falling around in finand... In a gig you don't have so much room to run away from but... what wouldn't you stand for metal ;)
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Strange, I always had the idea of Finland as one of the most organized and civilized countries of Western Europe...
On the other hand I know zilch about your country really.
:oops:
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f. i. that it is in Eastern Europe :wink:
kids at concerts... well I guess with my 20 years im still somewhat of a kid in the wider sense of it. Like everywhere I think you should not generalize too much. There are cool people and dumbasses in every age and every "scene". There are kids who are very decent people and listen to very fine music, and then of course there are others who are less likeable.
I agree if youre saying that younger people are more likely to be into shitty music because they are guided by the mothergrabbin media (chart crap) and are desperate to cling onto some scene.
But it shouldnt make you wanna kick every kids butt on a festival or whatever. At least, I´d be grateful if you didn´t...
Oh and personally, there are indeed some Slipknot or KoRn songs I do like to listen to every once in a while :oops:
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Hah Shadow ;D Atleast you dont think that we have polar bears here but still... organized and civilizided my ass... Sorry about my language ;) There are probably the biggest amount of drunks in Finnland... Atleast so many that even Terry Pratchett made a quote to that ;) and metal people here... Well most of them drunk a lot and often. :bluebanger:
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The only experience that I have of Finns, other than Finntroll :bluebanger: is from the two festivals that we have been to. They seem to be fun loving with great senses of humor! This guy came up to us at PiornoRock in Spain this year and started talking to us, he said that he remembered seeing us at SwedenRock the year before and asked where we were from!!! Wow, that was pretty cool. He was with a group of people who seemed to be having a blast, good natured and friendly, and oh yeah, he was with PIGBOY!!!!! (http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/170415/iron-savior-3.jpg)
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Sounds very finnish to me ;) We had Cows and Chickens in Ropecon (singing songs like "You're so ugly" and "Im too sexy" ) and a man in a ten sizes too small girls swimsuit in Tuska-festival... Boy, that wasn't a pretty thing to see :lol:
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About my ignorance on Finland : I started a new topic elsewhere on the bleeding boards :
http://boards.bleeding4metal.de/viewtopic.php?t=82
C ya all there !
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I have only good experience with finnish (?) ppl :)
2 of my friends are from Finland and we listen to A LOT of Finnish (? again) Metal bands :)
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I have neither experienced finnish people nor tit flashig, not even finnish gals who show em titties ;)
But I have certainly experienced and seen younger people (or "kiddies") at rock concerts.
I used to listen to a whole lot of punk rock. At punk shows there are usually way more kids than at metal gigs.
I have to say that I actually had no bad experiences with younger people at concerts. Okay, sometimes there are those who stand in the furthermost line right infront of the stage, and start pushing backwards because their annoyed by banging or moving people. I mean, if standing in the first row is too much for you, why don't step back a little? If you're a smaller person and don't have that much stamina as to enjoy (or rather endure?) a concert in the front row, then please, take it easy! Jostling and pushing people instead isn't a good solution. That way you might risk getting some trouble with the not so cool guys.
OH, and yeah there are sometimes those show offs who try to get extremly pissdrunk and yell around and start getting aggressiv, gettin on peoples nerves. Usually I avoid those people so I don't get in trouble with em.
All in all I have no real objection to "kiddies" at concerts. But then again, I had no bad experience with them at all. And since I'm 21, I'm not that an old person for comparison :)
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Hmm, well. The only kids I've ever seen at Metal concerts were an 8-10 year old in the balcony headbanging along with his father at a Hammerfall show, and a couple of 12 year old girls with her dad and mom waiting in line at a Stratovarius one.
On the other hand, age doesn't really matter. People generally behave stupidly at concerts; they are "Metal", thus they are rebellious and madly tough. :roll:
A friend had to knock the lights out of a dumbass at the said Stratovarius concert because the moron (along with other dozens of morons) kept throwing himself at the front, creating a wave that was crushing those in front, so my friend turned around and told the guy to stop that, the guy replied with something stupid and aggressive so my friend just punched him in the face, breaking the idiot's nose and making him black out. Hey the pansy got what he deserved. :)
On another ocassion, at a Joe Stump gig, security had to take out some dumbass who was looking for a fight, but it was nothing really serious.
It's sad how Metal music attracts so many idiots who don't care for the music or are there to have a good time, but who need to have an image of toughness that will cover up for their insecurities. :(
There are a lot of poseurs out there, I tell you. :D
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A friend had to knock the lights out of a dumbass at the said Stratovarius concert because the moron (along with other dozens of morons) kept throwing himself at the front, creating a wave that was crushing those in front, so my friend turned around and told the guy to stop that, the guy replied with something stupid and aggressive so my friend just punched him in the face, breaking the idiot's nose and making him black out. Hey the pansy got what he deserved. :)
That's the way it should be done! Say Hello to your friend from me :D 8)
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It's sad how Metal music attracts so many idiots who don't care for the music or are there to have a good time, but who need to have an image of toughness that will cover up for their insecurities. :(
Metal is a really strong, energetic and sometimes even aggressiv kind of music. So it's obvious that some people show their aggressiv side while listening to it or being at a metal gig.
The important thing is to keep control over yourself. You shouldn't go on and unload you aggression on other people around you.
Metal has some kinda therapeutic effect on me. It compensates for the aggression that piles up during my everyday life. I'm not really the kind of guy that usually explodes when angry. So I need some outlet to let off steam. And that's rock music for me.
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Actually, a'm 16 and i'm walking to metall consert a little bit more, than year. To my mind, metallists are rather quite people. :evil2: :D
But I don't support children on punks conserts. As far, as I'm able to judge, punks are crazy :insane: and they won't stop before fighting with kids. :lol2:
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If a kid goes to a punk concert he deserves to be beaten. Kidding, ofcourse :wink: My brother likes punk... Where did i go wrong? :P
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I support people? who think that punks are crazy... Kids aren't able to protect themselvs, but they do theirs choses. C'est la vie... :roll:
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2 grym: may I ask you a question: how old is your brother??
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I used to listen to A WHOLE LOT of punk rock some time ago. Still there are a few punk rock bands who've always got my attention. (Bad Religion for example! I love their music and lyrics!)
Actually it was punk rock that eventually led me to metal!
I've met and got to know really nice people while I was on punk concerts and stuff.
I've at least seen as much crazy metal heads as punk rockers. Doesn't really depend on the kind of music somebodie's listening to.
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2 grym: may I ask you a question: how old is your brother??
He's 12, but he's very deeply into it. He's in with the underground scene :P But he doesn't even know why he hates nazis. I can't get him to think for himself :(
And for the record, the only punk band i can listen to is La Broma De Ssatan, as it's in Spanish and i don't have to listen to the horrible political vocals.
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Ok, here a few words from my side (didnt have the time to read all replies...):
a) I am 16. Is it a problem that I love metal and go to concerts?
b) I never had problems with other metalheadz. They rather seem to be happy that some of the youth listen to metal and not to Brintey "Oh look at me, I am a virgin and have big boobs" Spears
c) I dislike punk. There's only one band I do like a lot. But why should a punk go to a concert where metal only is played? (<- sorry, I didnt understand some postings in this topic about punks. It seems like they are just crap *g*)
d) I DONT LISTEN TO FUCKING NU METAL!!! (fucking prejudices)
NP: Amon Amarth - Thousand years of oppression
Hail and Kill!
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Could somebody please move this topic? I dont think that it is correctly placed in "Falconer Band Board" ;)
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I am 16. Is it a problem that I love metal and go to concerts?
If you have read through the comments carefully, then it's quite obvious that the majority here has absolutely no problem with youngsters at concerts.
We're just complaining about people who show off and disturb other people. These can be older as well as younger people.
(<- sorry, I didnt understand some postings in this topic about punks. It seems like they are just crap *g*)
Not for me! That certainly was NOT MY opinion.
d) I DONT LISTEN TO FUCKING NU METAL!!! (fucking prejudices)
What is Nu Metal?
Why does everbody have an affection in categorizing everything?
On one hand it's a crime to have prejudices on the other hand every "new" band with a different style in the heavy metal game is declared a "nu metal" band, which means they're automatically just CRAP.
That's hipocrisy (NO I'm not talkin bout the band)!
I like bands like Slipknot, Disturbed, System of a Down, Korn (earlier stuff), or Chimaira, and even *shock* Linkin Park and earlier works of Limp Bizkit!
And hold on, it even gets worse - I used to listen to bands like Millencolin, Bouncing Souls, Ghoti Hook, Goldfinger, No Use For A Name, H2O, Hi-Standard, Lagwagon, MxPx, Pennywise, Propagandhi, Bad Religion, etc... the list goes on and on. And I listened to it all the time back then and still like to hear some songs on occasion!
Still I'm part of the community in a forum of a "power metal" band. Am I a "poser" or "untrue" now?
It wasn't until about 2002 that I found out about this thing called "power metal".
Now I like this kind of music pretty dearly and have gotten to know great bands!
It's not the kind of music that defines the behaviour of people, so I wouldn't generalize everything concerning this topic.
*sighs*
Whatever... tell me I'm overreacting... I've got a soft spot for music I used to listen to. And I can't stand it if somebody put his opinion second to none.
I mean we're talkin about music. This is creative work, it's art and so it is bound to taste. And as we all know - tastes differ.
Oh, and about this topic here being moved to somewhere else - I don't think that's necessary. Just because this is a band forum, it doesn't mean we're just allowed to talk about what actors the Falconer guys look alike or stuff.
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If you have read through the comments carefully, then it's quite obvious that the majority here has absolutely no problem with youngsters at concerts.
After skimming I had a totally different impression.
Not for me! That certainly was NOT MY opinion.
Some, not all ;)
Why does everbody have an affection in categorizing everything?
You are joking, arent you?
Without categories there'd be a big confusion, isnt that clear to you?
Oh, and about this topic here being moved to somewhere else - I don't think that's necessary. Just because this is a band forum, it doesn't mean we're just allowed to talk about what actors the Falconer guys look alike or stuff.
Anyway someone else wouldnt find this topic cause its not placed corretly here.
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You are joking, arent you?
Without categories there'd be a big confusion, isnt that clear to you?
I don't think bands need to be cattegorised into so many sub-genres, as their generally distinctive sound splits them apart. But in the scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal.
Anyway someone else wouldnt find this topic cause its not placed corretly here.
Well if they don't like Falconer, they don't deserve to find good topics. :wink: Only joking, but i think most people visit every forum on the site anyway.
Also Twix, i'm sixteen, i'm pretty sure we're the youngest people here 8) You've just got to try and keep a more open mind, not all nu-metal is crap, in my opinion, and not all NEW metal is NU metal.
EDIT: Fixed quotes. I can never get the quotes right :?
EDIT #2: Second attempt at fixing quotes.
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You've just got to try and keep a more open mind, not all nu-metal is crap, in my opinion, and not all NEW metal is NU metal.
The experience I've made tells me that nu metal is crap ;) And so I'm not gonna listen to that kind of music again if I can avoid it.
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You are joking, arent you?
Without categories there'd be a big confusion, isnt that clear to you?
No, I'm not kidding.
Having musical directions is one thing, but subcategorizing everything is just unnecessary. We're talking bout music and thats art and not science.
Besides the problem with subcategories is, that everybodys invents their own and so it happens that bands like Falconer are called power/epic/melodic/medieval/fantasy metal.
I've heard all those terms.
For me it's just metal. And if somebody gets curious and wants to know more about it, I'd rather reccomend albums or describe the music in my own words than invent some super exact "nu" name for this music.
Anyway someone else wouldnt find this topic cause its not placed corretly here.
So what?
I'm posting here mainly for the Falconer board community. I've never really posted or checked the other forums here.
If somebody new stumbles over this forum, I think it's better to have a wide variety of topics than just the band itself.
So far that has worked just fine.
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Categorising can be ok. For instance, if someone asks me what Lost Horizon sounds like I can say "power metal" instead of umm Heavy Metal, the kind a bit like HammerFall but less accesible...ummm... (if you see what I mean).
Nu Metal, I agree everything that came out of americ between like 2000-2003 was categorized as Nu Metal, which is obviously ridiculous, but the stuff that I consider to be Nu Metal is ear-poison IMO.
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I've not clear understood what do youb call NU METAL!
I absolutely agree with persons? who supposes we don't need categories... In my country everyboty like it. Unfortunateky... :? For example, have uyou heard about doom/death/black/power/woman/trahs and others metals&
I don't like and don't need it! :cry:
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Falconer are called power/epic/melodic/medieval/fantasy metal.
I've heard all those terms.
You forgot folk :wink:
When i'm explaining Falconer to someone, it usually goes along these lines.:
"Power metal with folk elements. Oh, and fucking brillinat."
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I've not clear understood what do youb call NU METAL!
I think of nu metal as heavy rock, or in some cases (SlipKnot) metal. They usually have no solos, no double kick on the bass drum, clear vocals, very simple guitars (Three cord progressions), and lyrics about teen angst, being abused by their family etcetera.
Twix: Try out Shadows Fall and Killswitch Engage, some very good nu metal bands.
Oh, and sorry for the double post, couldn't be arsed editing my first.
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@grym
Nu Metal bands don't have double kick and clear vocals? :?:
In fact I would say it's exactly the other way round :)
Bands like Slipknot or say Disturbed or Chimaira are kind of double kick freaks.
And Corey Taylor from Slipknot didn't really sing clear until the new album (and his other band Stone Sour).
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Why discuss NU-Metal (which IMO sucks big time) on the Falconer board :?: :? :(
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Because that's the way the flow of conversation directed itself. I don't think anyone planned on discussing nu-metal, it just happened.
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:lol: Yea, just look at the "First Post..." thread!
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See, that's what I love about this forum!
Our discussions turn out to be so multi-faceted :)
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Yeah yeah... but why combine NU-Metal with something as awesome as Falconer :roll: :wink:
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@grym
Nu Metal bands don't have double kick and clear vocals? :?:
In fact I would say it's exactly the other way round :)
Bands like Slipknot or say Disturbed or Chimaira are kind of double kick freaks.
And Corey Taylor from Slipknot didn't really sing clear until the new album (and his other band Stone Sour).
Oh, i've never heard Chimaira or Stone Sour. I havn't heard Slipknot in a while aswell, but i remember liking Corey T's accent, so his vocals must have been fairly clear. I guess i was just going on mostly second hand knowledge there.
But it is true, for bands like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park that just get thrown in the nu metal genre. I would call them heavy pop or something.
EDIT: Spelling.
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Yeah yeah... but why combine NU-Metal with something as awesome as Falconer :roll: :wink:
We're not combining it either.
We're just a bunch of people here, who adore Falconers music, and talk about different topics too. :)
That's all.
Everyone's free to ignore a topic if it's not interesting.
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If you don't like sub-catagory labels then you shouldn't condem a band within a general catagory label before you know what it sounds like yourself.
Labeling is a double edged sword. It can be good and bad. Part of those sub-catagories are there to use to seperate out one sound (that one might like) from another sound (that you don't like) instead of just using a blanket catagory for all. I mean I like Metal, but not all metal. To tell you what I like I would use adjectives to let you know...symphonic power metal, epic and folk, etc. It is really just short-hand to help convey to others a what something sounds like. Personally, no matter what the label, I am always open to hearing new things and stretching my listening limits of pleasure.
If you ever noticed from other posting or in my signature -- I love the band IDIOT from Sweden. We are always having this conversation because that band just defies any attempt at being catagorized!! Fans can't do it, their sound changes from song to song or CD to CD, It is funny BUT it is hard when you are trying to get signed with a record label!!!!
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i am 17 but i hate all of that nu-metal bullshit. i think it's just a way to look and kinda sound metal. falconer, rhapsody, yetti, chalice, axel rudi pell, iced earth, etc. now that's metal :bluebanger:
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concering "categories":
I think it depends on whom you're talking to.
If I'm talking to someone who's familiar with metal or heavy music then it's fine for me to say "I like power metal". They'll know what I'm talkin about.
But I've experienced many occasions where people just had a big question mark on their faces when I mentioned the word "power metal". So that's why I choose not to use these subcategories that often. I'm aware of them and of course I use these terms sometimes.
But my former point was just a general one.
If I talk about Falconer to somebody who's not so familiar with heavy music, then I talk about metal first.
I say Falconer is metal. Then I continue by saying that this particular kind of metal is called power metal. Then I describe it like "very melodious and heavy at the same time" or "for the most part clear singing but sometimes still with a raspy edge" or stuff like that.
The whole story is different when talking to some metalhead at a rock pub. I say I listen to power metal and he goes like "Oh, like Hammerfall or Stratovarius or Blind Guardian?" and I go like "yeah kind of. rather like Falconer, Sonata Arctica or Rhapsody". :)
You know what I mean?
I'm not a declared opponent of subcategories, they can be usefull too, yeah.
But still I feel like the trend nowadays goes towards "finding a category for every single band and song". That's what I think is not really necessary.
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i think its cool to see kids on a metal concert/festival, i think we need to suport this kids, music has nothing to do with age, and the kids i have met on festivals are very relaxt too.
To bad is that a festival or concert is so expenseve for young people, i pay the most tickets for my son.
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Welcome Mas!!! Nice to have some new blood around here. (and another parent as well) Hope we'll be seeing your posts in days to come. :cheers:
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Thank u Metalmaiden :banger2: nice to meet you too. i do my best with the english languase i am not that good in talking english, ill be ok i think.
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Yeah, kids can be annoying sometimes, but at the concerts I go to there are rarely any kids there (I'm 19 btw). As most of the concerts are too mature in taste for children (like Nightwish) or are like local bands on college campuses that have concerts on campus. Especially in the moshpits. If little kids got in the moshpits with guys like me (6'2" 300 lbs) they would get trampled.
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Hahahaha! Arthyron, you ARE the kids that I was talking about....well, NOT you personally, I am sure you aren't one of these obnoxious kids we have been talking about. But "kid" is relative to one's own age. While I was talking about anyone under 22, kids to you are probably those under 16.
But obnoxious people at concerts can be people of any age. I've seen people way older than myself behaving extremely badly and making things very unpleasant for all around them. While kids have the excuse of lack of experience those older people should know better.
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While kids have the excuse of lack of experience those older people should know better.
100% agree.
But remember, people grow older; they don't always mature. ;)
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Well, you wouldn't know I was 19 if you saw me, I look more like about 25 or so (it's the beard).
btw...I can't seem to login normally, weird. I guess I'll have to get a new user name. *shrug*
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..I can't seem to login normally, weird. I guess I'll have to get a new user name. *shrug*
Just PM an administrator. They'll most likely be able to fix it.
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btw...I can't seem to login normally, weird. I guess I'll have to get a new user name. *shrug*
I just had a look: no user with the name "Arthyron" is registered on these boards.
You did register before? I have no idea why the username should vanish into oblivion...
Greetz,
Tex
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While kids have the excuse of lack of experience those older people should know better.
100% agree.
But remember, people grow older; they don't always mature. ;)
Very good point there !
I may believe what my wife says like ten times a day, I will never mature !!
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(http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/170415/iamwithstupid[1]_topsitefr.gif) Metalmaiden would say the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think this topic is a non-sense...Do you think really exist a right age for beginning listening good music?
In my opinion music is feeling, music is all my life (I love dream theater in particular 8) )...and I'm 17 years old...I "feel" music exactly like a 23-yeaers-old-person can feel it...
A concert is an exalting experience for people of any ages...Do you remember your first concert?how old were you?what did you feel?
(excuse me for my english.. :oops: I don't speak it very well...I hope you've understood me)
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You're english is pretty solid, no doubt about that :)
But did you actually read this whole thread?
This isn't about complaining about young people on concerts, no, it's about one's experience with kids at metal concerts.
Some people had really good and some mostly bad experiences with them. Some don't have any at all.
But over all we came to the conclusion, that it's not a matter of age rather than maturity :)
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oh--well...I must confess I've not red the whole thread... :roll:
But..ok..."that it's not a matter of age rather than maturity "...I'm perfectly agree with you..That's what I wanted to say..^_^
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Well, I think I am one of those "kiddies" you talk about.
I am 15. I think many people that give young fans no chance make the linfe of younger Fans often very hard...
I know what you mean, many of them whoin my opinion have no sense of music really piss me off. But also many people that are older and have no tolerance for younger kids piss me off even more. Everyone has the right to listen to that music that he likes, and noone has the right to judge them for that. A metalhead should be tolerant ebough to understand that. All those people, in the past were "kiddies", too. The problem is, that many of these kids listen to the music, just to be part of a group. This, of course, is not restricted to metal. Why do people lsietn to Hip Hop. Rareley because they really like it. It is the same with metal. All these kids who listen to Korn etc. just want to show how "angry" they are, just to be part of this "angry" group.
But still, there are people who listen to music, because they like it, and if that doesen't fit them they are not better than the mentioned above wannabies. People should be tolerant, then we would not have such problems!
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Well said! You are very welcome to register and participate in the discussions on these boards more often. :)
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Nice to see that old topics come alive again.
I could share something with you guys, about annoying people at concerts...
I was 11-12 when I was at my very first Finntroll gig. Of course it was great, and people moshed, head-banged and had a lot of fun. But nobody got hurt. And the feeling was so intensive and just plain great.
The few last times I've been to a Finntroll-gig, I have to say I haven't liked the mood. There are people (usually young boys) messing around, pushing each other around (and everyone else in that matter)... they went quite bersek, imo.
Now if someone is wondering why I find this bad, after all, the boys must be having a good time... just imagine that there are also young, tiny little girls (not talking about myself, by the way ;) ) who might fall, as happened, and get run over, which can be rather dangerous.
And it takes your attention away from the show if you need to see that you won't get hurt.
Just makes me sad and annoyed at the same time, when people don't think that they might ruin somebodys evening by messing around like that :/
Nah, I guess kids are kids, and boys are boys, ehm?
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I partially agree with you Virvatuli.
If somebody freaks out and let's loose KNOWING that there are little girls around him who might get hurt, then that's irresponsible. That'd be plain bad. You don't do that.
But look at the other side too. What are tiny little girls supposed to do among the first few rows at a metal concert?! That's definitely not the place to be for these persons.
I can understand that they want to see the band closely and that they want to mosh and freak out too... but still - such a mosh pit is a dangerous ground if you don't have the physique for that. Things get wild there and you have to be able to make yourself some room if need be. You need to be able to cope with that pushing and pulling.
There are even guys who sometimes have troubles in a tumultuous front row or mosh pit.
Me personally, I mostly avoid the mosh pit. I usually join the guys in the first few rows who just stand there and bang their heads. :)
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My opinion on this was, and remains, that kids are of course as entitled to go to gigs as older fans, its just that the people that piss me off at these events the most are always younger. Constantly jumping into and shouting at each other etc through every song - its a pain the arse. I know not every kid at a gig behaves like that, and of course you get "mature" people who act in the exact same way.
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Well, in this case, there were like 5-6 boys in the middle of the area taking the room of twenty by berserking so much :)
And the clubs here in finland aren't usually that big anyways and usually when Finntroll is on stage... well, there's a lot people :)
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I must say that the last show I went to, The Hardcore/Metal festival in Massachusettes, I was really impressed with the younger kids at the show, and they have some really intense pits at hardcore shows. They have a lot of kids wildly swinging arms in the pits and the people around the fringe put their fists out at arms length and let the individuals know where the limits are. Rarely someone went past the line but there was no real intent, just a mistake.People all stopped whenever someone went down. The vocalist would often help point out people that needed a hand. The event staff were also great in letting the kids do their thing, helping crowd surfers down easy at the front and sending them back around to the pit area.
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I partially agree with you Virvatuli.
If somebody freaks out and let's loose KNOWING that there are little girls around him who might get hurt, then that's irresponsible. That'd be plain bad. You don't do that.
But look at the other side too. What are tiny little girls supposed to do among the first few rows at a metal concert?! That's definitely not the place to be for these persons.
I can understand that they want to see the band closely and that they want to mosh and freak out too... but still - such a mosh pit is a dangerous ground if you don't have the physique for that. Things get wild there and you have to be able to make yourself some room if need be. You need to be able to cope with that pushing and pulling.
There are even guys who sometimes have troubles in a tumultuous front row or mosh pit.
Me personally, I mostly avoid the mosh pit. I usually join the guys in the first few rows who just stand there and bang their heads. :)
So, what you're saying is that young girls should not be allowed to be close to their favorite bands, simply because they might get hurt?
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I don't think he implied that.. but unless they want to get hurt, they just must be more careful with their standing ground. :wink:
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I don't think he implied that.. but unless they want to get hurt, they just must be more careful with their standing ground. :wink:
It can actually be a dangerous place for them. A friend's girlfriend got almost crushed at a Stratovarius concert; good thing my friend is ripped and could shield her, but he later told me that he could barely do it because of the strength of the masses, he had to tell security to please let her get into the press area so she could be safe. At that same gig, another girl friend of us told us that she got caught at the front and couldn't breathe for a while, until she broke free and went to the back. It's not really that safe for them to be in the front in some cases.
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I don't think he implied that.. but unless they want to get hurt, they just must be more careful with their standing ground. :wink:
It can actually be a dangerous place for them. A friend's girlfriend got almost crushed at a Stratovarius concert; good thing my friend is ripped and could shield her, but he later told me that he could barely do it because of the strength of the masses, he had to tell security to please let her get into the press area so she could be safe. At that same gig, another girl friend of us told us that she got caught at the front and couldn't breathe for a while, until she broke free and went to the back. It's not really that safe for them to be in the front in some cases.
Agree. And perhaps the first row ain't the best place for... tiny persons :). But usually the first 5 (10, depends on the size of the area) rows are all too crazy, and I think everyone wanting should have the same right to see their fave band closely.. These jungle laws, "Only the biggest and nastiest" can be in the front, is just... Nah, that would be the ideal world that will probably never come true... Wait a minute, it once existed... ;)
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So, what you're saying is that young girls should not be allowed to be close to their favorite bands, simply because they might get hurt?
I'm definitely not talking about official rules at metal concerts. I'm not talking about what is "allowed" and what not.
Everyone's free to do as he/she wants, as long as they're not offensive.
I'm talking about considering a situation and acting accordingly - using one's reason.
It's just totally obvious that the first few rows right in front of the stage are definitely not the safest place for someone small or tiny. Those persons should really think about what they're about to get into if they want to move to the front. There IS risk involved.
That's was my whole point.