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shadowman

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« Antwort #15 am: November 28, 2004, 09:10:13 Nachmittag »
AAAARRGGHHHH !!!

 :wall:

Can't we call 'mister internet' ??

damned damned !!

TexJoachim

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« Antwort #16 am: November 28, 2004, 09:31:25 Nachmittag »
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Yeah, not nice of course, but so what? Without that approach who can say what would have happened?


Probably exactly the same. You know that Plato always wanted the government run by philosophers. They tried it out in Sicily: a total desaster.
:)

And then at least one of the ancient thinkers--Aristotle--thought a democracy to be one of the worst forms of government ever. (He had a scale of six forms of government, from noble kingship over oligarchy and democracy ... to despotism. Aristotle favoured a noble kingship above all others.

Zitat

And there's by far more than only voting - just look at all the institutions and stuff they had working.


You are partially right, of course. But the fact that not all persons could influence those institutions that were governing them makes me point out the right to vote as the main point of a democracy. Without it, the institutions of government can (and probably will) work against you.

Zitat

Call it what you will, but the fundamental first steps for *any* kind of democracy were made in those days.


Full ACK. But that does not make those fundations a democracy. I'm not trying to hide those advances to humanity done in those days. I just don't want to give them the label 'democracy'.

Zitat

The first approaches of federalism were made as well as it was the first time someone else but the rich or the mighty or the clerus was able to have an influence on what is going on. And of course they created the idea of the self-defending democracy.


Rich, mighty, clerus. Hey, we're not talking about the Renaissance, are we?
;)

Humour aside, what was thought and done in ancient Greek might have had a big influence on what we have in our time. But we mustn't forget who to thank for it: the Arabs!
Without them, Europe would have been lost. They were the ones to translate, read and share the Greek philosophers while Europeans were either butchering them, each others or praying to a 'good god'.

Greetz,

Tex

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« Antwort #17 am: November 29, 2004, 05:52:37 Nachmittag »
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Good luck on your efforts to try and master the Greek language.  :roll:
Man, not to brag about myself when  I tell you that I think I have a way with foreign languages but Greek is just so damn difficult. Believe me, I have done more than just a simple effort. Assimil, Greek study books, cassettes, learning from specialized cd's...No luck.
I couldn't get it into my brain, mainly because of the weird characters I think.
Or option number two could be that I am just a plain idiot ?
 :wink:


AAARGGHHH SORRY ODIN !
I screwed up your posting. You said something about learning Greek and I wanted to respond to it. Apparantly I edited YOUR post not mine !
A thousand times sorry ! Is there a way to undo my terrible mistake ???
The above reply is mine not Odin's !!!


Now it is mine again. This gives a special meaning to your last line there, ehem...  :bash:
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Bringer of eternal victory


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« Antwort #18 am: November 29, 2004, 09:17:16 Nachmittag »
Hahahahahaha...guys you are just too fast for me lol...Either way, about the democracy issue Tex is right, only males and slaves were allowed to vote and let us not confuse the fact that Athens not Greece was the first "democracy" in thge world.
As for the others..people you seem to know much more than me lol...I cannot even think of anything else t oadd to the things allready mentioned...but keep going I am sure I will find something as the discussion goes on... :wink:

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« Antwort #19 am: November 30, 2004, 03:10:37 Vormittag »
To touch on a few things not already mentioned....

boats
fishing
Knossos and Crete ( I was always fasinated as a kid  by the palace and the "bull jumpers")
Forget Ouzo! METAXA!!
I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
Ikon painters to rival the Russians!!  (Theophanes is one that quickly comes to mind)

shadowman

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« Antwort #20 am: November 30, 2004, 11:30:44 Nachmittag »
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I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
)


Euh... Is there a place you haven't been ?  :wink:

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« Antwort #21 am: Dezember 01, 2004, 12:28:56 Vormittag »
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Zitat von: "Metalmaiden"
I summer holiday on Mykonos and Santorini that i'll never forget (and never tell!!)
)


Euh... Is there a place you haven't been ?  :wink:


Belgium  :D

(when you get this old you've been to and lived in lots of places)

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« Antwort #22 am: Dezember 01, 2004, 09:37:09 Nachmittag »
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Belgium  :D



Only a matter of time of course... :wink:

TexJoachim

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« Antwort #23 am: Dezember 01, 2004, 09:40:03 Nachmittag »
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Only a matter of time of course... :wink:


Oh, an invitation!
:)

Greetz,

Tex

shadowman

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« Antwort #24 am: Dezember 01, 2004, 10:37:58 Nachmittag »
Hehehehehe... It seems Joachim is back in full force ! :wink:

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« Antwort #25 am: Dezember 01, 2004, 11:37:07 Nachmittag »
Tex, If it is an invitation, I am sure it is a joint invitation, for both Metal RN and myself.
 
:shock:   Then again maybe Belgians are into wife-swapping or some such naughty thing? eeeks!  :rolleyes:  :oops:

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« Antwort #26 am: Dezember 02, 2004, 03:23:33 Nachmittag »
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:shock:   Then again maybe Belgians are into wife-swapping or some such naughty thing? eeeks!  :rolleyes:  :oops:


Though "wife-swapping" is still preferable to "partner-swapping", if you know what I mean...  :?

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« Antwort #27 am: Dezember 02, 2004, 05:29:11 Nachmittag »
I'd bet Shadow is into... well, errrm, did I say that aloud?  :twisted:  gotta leave... ;)
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« Antwort #28 am: Dezember 02, 2004, 05:42:23 Nachmittag »
I think this is a good time to keep my mouth shut!!!

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« Antwort #29 am: Dezember 02, 2004, 06:19:49 Nachmittag »
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I think this is a good time to keep my mouth shut!!!


Boooooring!  :lol:
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