Euthanasia

[Mas]

lol shadow  :P i am thinking to build a bleeding4metal castle!!!!!!!! we all can stay there :wink:

Now i have someting serious about the Netherlands,

I saw today at some american televsion news programs about The Netherlands, and what they told about the netherlands is not nice, but most of it it is overact and not true :?

The newsprograms talk about that here in the Netherlands little baby's get killed in the hospital if they have someting wrong, i wanna tell everyone this is not true!
eutanism here is a very very difficult way to go. what they told on the news is about baby's who are born with a lot of pain and who dont have any change to live,  this baby's gonna die soon and they have a lot of pain we cant discribe. and yes i agree if someone will let them baby sleep forever when it have so much pain and you know for sure that its gonna die soon.  so its not like my baby have 9 fingers we kill it... that is not true! its not true.

I saw also news about the Moslim population here, yeah its true a very famous artist and film maker is killed by moslim extremists, but its not that we now live in a more dangerous country than other country's.

i saw also news about the red light district, believe me or not but the red light district is my favorite place to hang around when i go out.
there are not more prostituees in amsterdam than in Hamburg or other country's. the red light disctrict is a safe district with a lot of local cool and very nice cafe's. and even a lot of girls there are very nice and they just do them work. we dont have to like what they do but  they dont have to like what i do, i am happy with the girls because a lot of guy's need them, and trust me this girls are doing it safe.

its also not true that everyone smoke weed here,  i think the coffeeshops  get the most money from the tourists, i know good coffeeshops here and i also know the rules.

all this news i saw today is realy overact. that bother me.

[Virvatuli]

Must've been some stupid program. I don't believe anyone here would believe that kinda things, at least I wouldn't.
I didn't know that eutanasia is legal there?
I hope it would be legal here too...

[Mas]

yeah eutanasia is legal but its a long way to go, and many rulez, someone need to be very very ill, with no any change to get health, i know that because my kids granmom has braincancer and when she ask for eutanasia, it took 2 weeks before we get round everyting, and i promised her that she dont need have to more pain, but it took so long before she got the eutanasia, to long.

ill hope it will be legal soon in Finland. yeah.

[Virvatuli]

Yep. It's really awful to the old people, escpecially; they just put them to these machines here and forget all about them. Is that life anymore :/

[Mas]

you right and thats with little children too, i think its selfisch when people say eutanasia is not right, nobody deserve to live in a hell filt with pain.

[The Metal RN]

That is a really sticky subject here. I am all in favor for it, working in hospitals I have seen more than my share of people suffer needlessly. There is a big change in the way pain is looked at here in teh US, but sometimes there is only so much you can do. I think more education needs to be doen and people need to think about death in realistic terms, it  will happen, and people need to dicuss with loved ones what they want done before it gets to the point where the decision has to be made, make out a living will. Sorry for the more political posts today (Scary thread as well  :?  :(  ) It has just been the subject matter and I just woke up not too long ago... I will try to do something stupid for ya today!!

[Metalmaiden]

With regard to this  -- we treat our animals better than people here!

It is a very sad state in medicine. Doctors are afraid to prescribe pain medication to sick and dying patients for fear that they, the doctor,  will be prosecuted by the government because of the strict regulations on those types of drugs and the fact that euthenasia is  absolutely illegal here. (except in one state but they can't do it because the federal over seeing government doesn't allow it.)

There is also strong opposition to allowing euthenasia from those who believe it will be miss used, opening the way up for state sanctioned genocide.

[Mas]

That is a really sticky subject here. I am all in favor for it, working in hospitals I have seen more than my share of people suffer needlessly. There is a big change in the way pain is looked at here in teh US, but sometimes there is only so much you can do. I think more education needs to be doen and people need to think about death in realistic terms, it  will happen, and people need to dicuss with loved ones what they want done before it gets to the point where the decision has to be made, make out a living will. Sorry for the more political posts today (Scary thread as well  :?  :(  ) It has just been the subject matter and I just woke up not too long ago... I will try to do something stupid for ya today!!

i think that is a good point, i know how hard it is to talk about this things in US, i know there are a lot of people want to change this things. yeah it is a scary thread but what kind of stupid are you gonna do today  :roll: lol, be carefull please  :wink:

[Mas]

With regard to this  -- we treat our animals better than people here!

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Here you go! right to the point! its here the same, a lot of people treat animals better. yeah.
not that i hate animals but my kids and your kids are more important than my dog. thats the true.

[Jeanny]

With regard to this  -- we treat our animals better than people here!

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Here you go! right to the point! its here the same, a lot of people treat animals better. yeah. .

I think that the reason why some people animals treats better is that they have bad experiences with other people. There are a lot of annoying people on this world, and if you got a pet, and it is good raised, the pet mostly will always love you, and give you warmth. no matter what you do.

[shadowman]

Wohow ! Just checked out the Holland topic as I thought there were no news posts, but boy how wrong was I .
Delicate topic indeed this Euthanasia thing... :roll:
Who can tell when a person is not going to get well anymore...
A very thin line between life and death...

I remember a song called 'Euthanasia' by Tygers of Pan Tang.
I should check on the lyrics again since the Tygers era dates over 20 years ago.
But the only thing I remember about the chorus :
'Euthanasia ? Ok !'
'All the way, oh yeah...'

So... Guess they were all for it right ?

 :o

[Souleraser]

Just a sidenote, as this discussion took an interesting turn which didn't really belong to the "Netherlands" any longer: new topic for this one.

[shadowman]

Good idea Aop, "the mighty topic-splitter" !!

 :D

[Mas]

ok thank u AoP   i think this is a intresting topic

[AngelOfMusic]

I don't pay much attention to international events as covered by the US news (When our news stations actually show international affairs...it's very rare.)  After getting a taste of the BBC World News when I was in London, I feel very deprived.

As for the Euthanasia issue...We went over this in my Ethics class this past fall.  I would support it in certain cases, and as long as the doctor wasn't doing it to gain attention and try and defy authority, like I believe Dr. Kevorkian was doing.  I really don't think that man had the patients' best interest in mind.  I think he was serving only himself.